official TUF finale discussion... (RESULTS TRICKLING IN.)

[Johnny Toetags]

http://www.bloodyknux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=39862#post39862

go ahead and flap yer gums in here.

[OB Juan]

Heeee-haaaaa!!!! I'm stoked. TUF Finals will be the beginning of a sweet 2 week MMA session.


I think Griffin is gonna PWN Bonnar (although I wouldn't mind if I'm wrong because Bonnar is probably the coolest guy on the show). Either way I'm happy one of these guys is getting in. I do think Griffin could make more waves in the LHW division. Hopefully Dana signs the loser for a couple fights as well especially since the division is so shallow right now.

I really hope Diego and Kenny give all the new MMA fans a sweet grappling session and Kenny comes out on top. I will be pissed if the crowd starts booing when it goes to the ground (which is pretty much a certainty).

I hope Rich takes Ken out. Nothing against Ken, buit he really doesn't have a future whereas a win for Rich could be the best thing to happen to his career. My only dilemma is that I would rather see Rich fight Chuck than Randy (Randy being who I'm rooting for in that one). That just sounds like a more exciting fight. On the other hand I have wanted to see Randy vs Ken for several yrs now. In order for the fights that I want to happen in the future then I have to be wrong on one of these fights.

I'm still hoping that they can get in more than 3 fights in a 2.5 hour timeslot.
Hoger and Southworth could be very interesting. I would like to see that one. Has potential for a nasty fight. I wouldn't be surprised to see the winner of that one in the UFC for at least one fight (maybe even both guys).

The next undercard fights I'm looking to are Swick vs Shoenauer and Quarry vs Sincaid. They could both be good fights. I would expect Swick and Quarry to both win via GnP, then I would like to see them fight each other (in the future).

After these i really don't give a shit.

[Johnny Toetags]

I agree with almost everything you said Juan, except I think Bonnar and Griffin is too close to call honestly.

[OB Juan]

I agree with almost everything you said Juan, except I think Bonnar and Griffin is too close to call honestly.

Bonnar got muscled around by a MW (Swick) and was definitely losing that fight up until the sub. He got reversed, GnPed, and almost choked out. Griffin is a helluva lot bigger and stronger than Swick, but he's seemed fairly tentative in his TUF fights. If Griffin comes out aggressive like he did in the IFC tourny, it will be a short night for Bonnar.

[Oliver Klosov]

Don't you mean 3 weeks of MMA?

[OB Juan]

April 9 - 23rd. That's 3 Saturdays but really only 14 days.

9th = TUF Finals
14th = Bushido 6
16th = UFC 52
23rd = MW GP '05

[H]

Live UFC 52 Play by Play by yours truly, on the 16th. just a reminder.

[Oliver Klosov]

I was going by 3 consecutive weekends.

[H]

im picking Forrest, to "Run" over Bonner in that fight. I liked how Forrest was performing at the IFC tourney and wished to see more of him. as for the other match its going to be a toss up. they are both great fighters, Florian has alot of heart and is naturally undersized usually. i think Sanchez might take it, but in a good hard fight. Shamrock vs Franklin should be a trainwreck in Franklin's favor. I hope Shamrock can pull the upset or at least put up a fight, but i see Franklin taking him out pretty fast. should be a good night of fights. Free and on Regular Cable. its a good thing to see.

[Skean]

Live UFC 52 Play by Play by yours truly, on the 16th. just a reminder.
Thanks in advance from someone who can't see them live. :mad:

[natecrime]

I think the winner of the Franklin - Shamrock match will end up fighting the winner of the TUF fight in an upcoming UFC. This would make alot of sense as either way it would be beneficial to the company regardless of who wins. The new fans who have been watching the show because of TUF will appreciate more the validity of the calibre of UFC fighters if the established UFC fighter wins whilst if the TUF winner pulled of the victory then this would help catalyse his career into the big time and more than likely help push this fighter to the forefront of the company in the long term (assumig they improve and keep wining)

[TILSON]

Can't wait. I think Forrest is the favorite in his fight, but Bonnar seems solid in all areas of the fight game. I think the 2 best LHW are fighting and that is good. The MW fight will be good but I think Diego will be too much. I wish Nate had not got hurt. I think that Diego and Nate were the 2 best guys in there and would have liked to have seen them fight. As far as Sham and Franklin I hope Franklin schools him.

I am going to UFC 52 so stay tuned for Pics and Updates from Vegas.

Pride GP is going to be the best tourney of all time. Nuff said.

[OB Juan]

I think the winner of the Franklin - Shamrock match will end up fighting the winner of the TUF fight in an upcoming UFC. This would make alot of sense as either way it would be beneficial to the company regardless of who wins. The new fans who have been watching the show because of TUF will appreciate more the validity of the calibre of UFC fighters if the established UFC fighter wins whilst if the TUF winner pulled of the victory then this would help catalyse his career into the big time and more than likely help push this fighter to the forefront of the company in the long term (assumig they improve and keep wining)

I don't think any TUF guys will be ready for that big of a fight quite yet. Besides, I heard that the winner of Rick/Ken gets a title shot at the winner of Randy/Chuck (probably UFC 54). Besides possibly the winner of Babalu/Wiuff (who are both relatively low seniority in the UFC) there really is nobody else in the division.

I'd expect Zuffa to sign at least 2 or 3 of the LHW TUF guys. The 205 division is pretty sad right now and it could be a good investment to sign some of these guys. Their exposure from TUF could make them quite valuable. Probably Griffin and Bonnar will both get in (but only one of them will be making $$$). I think they will sign the winner of Hoger/Southworth as well (at least for 1 or 2 fights). I could see the TUF winner fighting the loser of Babalu/Wiuff or somebody like James Irvin. TUF runner up fights the winner of Bobby/Sam (probably in a prelim).

[gongshow]

do you think the undercard fights will circulate the internet, or will we have to wait for dvd release to see them?
regardless, im going to go out on a limb and pick bonnar to take out griffin... forrest didnt look good in either of his fights, and i think bonnar will push the action and score a lot of shots...

diego vs. florian will end in less than two minutes with diego submitting him...

[Dredd]

Mike Swick vs. Alex Schoenauer

Is going to be a fuckin' war.

[Bishop]

I think there should be a guaranteed consolation to the losers of the finals. they should be awarded 1-fight deals with the UFC for making to the finals and coming up short by one fight. I know that they will end up fighting sooner or later, but I'd rather hear Dana say that they are guaranteed at least 1 fight instead of waiting and checking out sherdog with the same posts happening over and over again.

as for the finale, I get saturday night off, but i'm moving sunday morning into my new house. I won't be attending superbrawl live, again, but at least i'll be watching the UFC finale live at home instead of being at work....as originally planned

I think Bonnar and Diego are going to win the contracts. Forrest just doesn't look like he has in the fights that I have seen him in the past. the year that he took off from fighting is definately showing as he has looked very sluggish and his timing isn't really there. though Swick gave Bonnar a tough time though he was outweighed by 12lbs, Swick is a stud and gets all the credit in the world....taking nothing away from him or Bonnar in their fight.

Diego should be able to handle Kenny for at least a JD. I don't see him subbing Florian, but possibly getting him in a bad position for a TKO finish. this won't be an easy fight for Diego though. this is going to be Diego's first fight against a well rounded fighter (TUF standards). Diego can't expect to go in there and think he's going to pound Florian, he needs to keep his head in the game like he has and take that contract that he's been eyeing for. he seems to be the only one who was focused from the beginning to win the contract while the others were having a jolly good time. he's the most serious, and ironically, Bonnar is the second most serious in the show. why do I say ironically? remember the "asparagus" incident in the shows first episode? look where these 2 guys are now, both in the finals and are one step closer from making enough money to eat asaparagus for the rest of their lives....they'd still need a side job and could live off the interest for a while

[Mad Processor]

I don't think any TUF guys will be ready for that big of a fight quite yet. Besides, I heard that the winner of Rick/Ken gets a title shot at the winner of Randy/Chuck (probably UFC 54). Besides possibly the winner of Babalu/Wiuff (who are both relatively low seniority in the UFC) there really is nobody else in the division.

I'd expect Zuffa to sign at least 2 or 3 of the LHW TUF guys. The 205 division is pretty sad right now and it could be a good investment to sign some of these guys. Their exposure from TUF could make them quite valuable. Probably Griffin and Bonnar will both get in (but only one of them will be making $$$). I think they will sign the winner of Hoger/Southworth as well (at least for 1 or 2 fights). I could see the TUF winner fighting the loser of Babalu/Wiuff or somebody like James Irvin. TUF runner up fights the winner of Bobby/Sam (probably in a prelim).

The LHW division in the UFC needs some new talent.. fast. It's a perfect opportunity to throw in some of the other guys as well. The TUF guys have proven to be tough bastards and they've got a face that is more known to the public than Babalu, Wiuff or any of the other LHW guys so from a commercial perspective it would make sense for Dana to invite some of the TUF guys to continue fighting for the UFC. I don't think the need for MW is equally large with a good talent pool already there, but it wouldn't hurt to bring in a fighter like Nate Quarry or even have the loser of Sanchez - Florian as well as Chris and Koscheck (as boring as it may be).

UFC is a business, and apart from a few top guys in the various divisons, few fighters have faces known to the public the way the TUF guys have.

[OB Juan]

EDIT: I think I misread spike's TUF finals page. Sorry if I gave false hopes of more than these 3 fights. I will leave my original post here anyhow...


Well there's some good news and some "meh" news. The good stuff...Since the show is 2.5 hrs, we will be getting to see more than the 3 main featured bouts. They are planning on showing 4 other fights. The 4 other fights will be:

Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Sanford
Chris Leben vs. Jason Thacker
Lodune Sincaid vs. Nate Quarry
Alex Karalexis vs. Josh Rafferty.

Meh...it looks like they are holding out on the Swick/Schoenauer and Southworth/Hoger fights to make people buy the DVD.

[OB Juan]

^^^^source:

http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/ultimatefighter/finale.jhtml



EDIT: Maybe I misread that. They call Ken/Rich the main event and call the TUF finals "co-features". Maybe they will only show those 3, sorry if I got anybody's hopes up. None of the 3 main fights are more than 3 rds. It seems like they would have a ton of time to fill even if these 3 go the distance.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Didn't Rich just fight at 185? Ken should have a significant strength advantage which in and of itself isn't enough to favor him but his experience and ability along with that is.

I like Ken's chances. Blatant nuthugging.

[DrOctagon]

WAR LEBEN!!!!

[Mad Processor]

Well there's some good news and some "meh" news. The good stuff...Since the show is 2.5 hrs, we will be getting to see more than the 3 main featured bouts. They are planning on showing 4 other fights. The 4 other fights will be:

Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Sanford
Chris Leben vs. Jason Thacker
Lodune Sincaid vs. Nate Quarry
Alex Karalexis vs. Josh Rafferty.

Meh...it looks like they are holding out on the Swick/Schoenauer and Southworth/Hoger fights to make people buy the DVD.

I'd certainly want to see Swich/Schoenauer and Southworth/Hoger instead of Koscheck/Sanford and Alex K./Josh Rafferty .... I still can't belive the threw Leben in there with Thacker.

[OB Juan]

Didn't Rich just fight at 185? Ken should have a significant strength advantage which in and of itself isn't enough to favor him but his experience and ability along with that is.

I like Ken's chances. Blatant nuthugging.

Not only that, but Ken is 2 inches taller too (fight finder lists him at 6' 1" and 235 lbs - probably for the Kimo fight). Then again, I think Ken lies about his height. Tito seemd like he was more than an inch taller then Ken. I think it just helps Ken's ego having him listed over 6 ft.

[OB Juan]

Upon further contemplation, I think they will probably not show those 4 other fights. We have to remember that the main purpose for this show isn't to give all of the new fans a bunch of free fights. The TUF Finals is all about the UFC marketing itself. They are trying to sell not only their new stars from TUF, but also Franklin who is an investment (especially if he really signed an 8 fight deal). Ken is easy, well known already, they won't need much time on him. I bet they already have the DVD set for release save for the finals and they will even be promoting it's future release in a few weeks.

The REAL purpose of this whole thing is to promote UFC 52 and the rematch between the TUF coaches. There will inevitably be close to half an hour hyping that. Whether we see more than these 3 fights will largely depend on how long these fights last. I think there's a good chance we see one more fight or possibly just a bunch of HLs.


Let's just break it down:

Show = 150 mins
- commercials = 110 mins (30 mins of TV minus commercials is 22 minutes)
- 15 mins (main event hype) = 95 mins remaining
- 60 mins (actual possible fight time: 20 mins x 3) = 35 mins left
- 10 - 15 mins (TUF finals hype) = 20 - 25 mins remain
20 - 25 mins UFC 52 hype

[NEwrestler]

Diego Diego Diego *chanting*

[Happy Gilmore]

I've got Bonnar over Griffin. I think that his standup and ground game are a lot better than Forrest's. I just think that Griffin is too sloppy of a standup fighter and we know that Bonnar can take a good shot.

I'm also going with Diego over Florian. I just think that he's a more complete fighter and a lot stronger.
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[ventrue]

http://www.ufc.tv/events/ppv/ppv.asp

TUF Finale Fight Card

Ken Shamrock < Rich Franklin

Light Heavyweight Final
Stephan Bonner > Forrest Griffin

Middleweight Final
Diego Sanchez > Kenny Florian

Non-televised preliminary bouts:
Mike Swick > Alex Schoenauer
Bobby Southworth > Sam Hoger
Josh Koscheck > Chris Sanford
Chris Leben > Jason Thacker
Lodune Sincaid < Nate Quarry (Should be the best fight of the Undercard, IMO)
Alex Karalexis > Josh Rafferty

[Bishop]

http://www.ufc.tv/events/ppv/ppv.asp

TUF Finale Fight Card

Ken Shamrock < Rich Franklin

Light Heavyweight Final
Stephan Bonner > Forrest Griffin

Middleweight Final
Diego Sanchez > Kenny Florian

Non-televised preliminary bouts:
Mike Swick > Alex Schoenauer
Bobby Southworth > Sam Hoger
Josh Koscheck > Chris Sanford
Chris Leben > Jason Thacker
Lodune Sincaid < Nate Quarry (Should be the best fight of the Undercard, IMO)
Alex Karalexis > Josh Rafferty
I like every one of those picks....but, I think Southworth/Hoger will be the best fight on the undercard

[natecrime]

Hoge rlooked impressive if he was better in the clinch and on the ground.

[TrickyNicky]

I wonder if the fights are short and they need to clear some air-time, do you think they will televise some of the undercard like they do on their regular PPV's?

[Bishop]

I wonder if the fights are short and they need to clear some air-time, do you think they will televise some of the undercard like they do on their regular PPV's?
I doubt it. they'll either show how each fighter got to the finals or talk to the celebrities in the crowd (like usual)

[natecrime]

All the banter they have is boring shite and just annoying as it's a constant reminder of how we could be seeing some really good, interesting match-ups.

[Johnny Toetags]

Live Results from "The Ultimate Fighter" Finale - 4/9/2005
by Jason Probst c/o InsideFigthing.Com

Koscheck defeats Sanford by KO at 4:21 of the first round.

Nate Quarry beats Louden Sincaid by TKO at 3:17 of the second round, via punches

Mike Swick wins via knockout in 20 seconds over Alex Schoenauer -- Swick lands a vicious series of punches to win the fight in the opening moments

Alex Karalexis wins by knockout over Josh Rafferty at 1:40 of the first round

[Johnny Toetags]

Leben defeats Thacker by punches at 1:35 of the first round

[PhatRick]

hmm... I regret opening this thread...

but, the reason I did. Fucking Sherdog mods fucking suck ass balls shit cock fuckers!!!
fucking cocksucking asswacker dickchews!!!!

I open up sherdog to download Rich's prefight interview and right the fuck there in the forum listing...
"Josh KO's Chris Sanford"
mother fuckers

thanks for the info JTT

[Johnny Toetags]

not like it's spoilers man, it's on live TV. can't blame them. The dark matches won't be showed for sometime now. No main events yet.

[Oliver Klosov]

Leben defeats Thacker by punches at 1:35 of the first round


WAR LEBEN!!!!!!!!!!

[Oliver Klosov]

Alex Karalexis wins by knockout over Josh Rafferty at 1:40 of the first round


Not to nitpick, but this was a TKO - according to teh 'dog

[Johnny Toetags]

I like Leben, but I'm dissapointed Thacker didn't win. He definatly showed his heart's finally in the right place coming off that public humiliation and getting into proper shape... mock 'em if you want, but he showed major balls.

[Johnny Toetags]

Not to nitpick, but this was a TKO - according to teh 'dog

Could be, I dunno. I'm getting this off InsideFigthing.com



IF = deserves my hits.

SD = does not.

[IX Equilibrium]

I like Leben, but I'm dissapointed Thacker didn't win. He definatly showed his heart's finally in the right place coming off that public humiliation and getting into proper shape... mock 'em if you want, but he showed major balls.


How are you guys watching the non-televised fights? (If you are)

[Johnny Toetags]

How are you guys watching the non-televised fights? (If you are)

I see ALL.





Put that thing back in your pants, btw.

[Johnny Toetags]

Something just occured to me - how fucked up will the UFC be if Shammy pulls out the W?!?

WTF will that do to Franklin's career?! Talk about high, PUBLIC stakes.

I'll forever be a Shamrock fan, despite all the stuff about him that makes my eyes roll back - but, yeah - my heart's with Ace on this one.



*hitler* WAR FRANKLIN!!! *hitler*

[Bishop]

damn, I should have just stuck with my original picks before the weigh-in's. I can't believe Sanford got ko'ed by Koshcheck

[Johnny Toetags]

come to think of it as of right now I'm batting a thousand on my picks.

I pick Franklin, Bonnar and Sanchez for the remaining fights...

[Bishop]

come to think of it as of right now I'm batting a thousand on my picks.

I pick Franklin, Bonnar and Sanchez for the remaining fights...
ventrue is batting a thousand as well....come to think of it, I never did edit my picks :)

[Johnny Toetags]

ventrue is batting a thousand as well....come to think of it, I never did edit my picks :)


hahah! yer kidding he did that? no shame in being wrong.

[Bishop]

i'm going to nitpick as well....sherdog said that Quarry defeated Sincaid at 3:17 in the 1st round

[Johnny Toetags]

sherdog said... sherdog said... if you love sherdog s'much why dontcha marry it huh?!? huh?!?

[Bishop]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&eventid=2971

sam hoger defeated bobby southworth via UD....WOW

hoger is the definition of saying "never judge a book by its cover"

[Johnny Toetags]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&eventid=2971

sam hoger defeated bobby southworth via UD....WOW

hoger is the definition of saying "never judge a book by its cover"


and there goes my streak.


damn right wow.

[Johnny Toetags]

Sanchez destroys Kenflo via GnP mid way through the 1st.

[Johnny Toetags]

Breaking news!!!! Ken Shamrock is old!!!


Film at 11.

[PhatRick]

Breaking news!!!! Ken Shamrock is old!!!


Film at 11.
mad fucking reps for that...

[Johnny Toetags]

I've just now stopped laughing from the pre-fight interviews of Bonnar and Griffin....

[Johnny Toetags]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


round 1.... CLASSIC!!!

[Johnny Toetags]

I give it to Forrest, but this looked like lawler/diaz - only heavier

[PhatRick]

chexck my new thread to discuss solely this fibht

[PhatRick]

Winner I think

Stephan bonner

[Johnny Toetags]

I give it to bonnar... if only by a hair... best fight the UFC could've hoped for on prime time tv.

decision to come

[PhatRick]

bottom line... both of these men WILL fight in ufc for a while

[Johnny Toetags]

I wanna see Crouching Bonnar, Hidden Griffin II...

[Johnny Toetags]

ud for Griffin...



...hmmm. Neither man deserved to lose, though.

[PhatRick]

bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 fuck that

[PhatRick]

uhh... why didnt he just pull that hook... are they really illegal(heehooks)

[PhatRick]

THAT is the new breed of fighters...

[Johnny Toetags]

franklin by ko - after ken slipped and ace capialized wih GNP... two close subs early though.


great fights.

[TrickyNicky]

Poor shammy... that was two slips in a row practically.

[uberfighter]

i wonder what sham was thinking? trying to exchange highkicks with frankling...i knew rich would win, but dayum.

[PhatRick]

lol!!!!!!!! best news ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hogar beat Bitchworth!!!!!!!!

[Bishop]

the show is just kicking off for me now. seeing the results already doesn't ruin anything for me because it pretty much went down the way I predicted it....but I picked Bonnar via JD :(

[uberfighter]

dude, that fight with griffin was so intense, that if my butt had teeth it would have bitten a hole in the seat.

[PhatRick]

dude, that fight with griffin was so intense, that if my butt had teeth it would have bitten a hole in the seat.
lol...
I got a visucal... gross :eek:

[Canario]

All American Children shoukd aspire to be like Forrest. That interview and fight will go down as the greatest of all time.

[uberfighter]

All American Children shoukd aspire to be like Forrest. That interview and fight will go down as the greatest of all time.


agreed. i liked forrest already, but his stock just shot sky high with that whole performance.

[Bishop]

I was just skimming a pro wrestling forum that I post on and the things they said about Shamrock and the UFC. ladies and gentleman, I give to you, complete fucking idiots....

"That was shit... They should've kept going with the fight, if they get broken up by the ref, they should finish off all 3 rounds, complete shit..."

"Well someone with as much experience as ken shamrock if given the chance instead of a stupid break up would probably kick his ass...

"Who knows, he "probably" would've gotten back up and kicked the guys ass if they were to go all 3 rounds, it's so shit to end a fight on a break up..."

"If this is how every UFC event is I am never watching it ever again"

[uberfighter]

I was just skimming a pro wrestling forum that I post on and the things they said about Shamrock and the UFC. ladies and gentleman, I give to you, complete fucking idiots....

"That was shit... They should've kept going with the fight, if they get broken up by the ref, they should finish off all 3 rounds, complete shit..."

"Well someone with as much experience as ken shamrock if given the chance instead of a stupid break up would probably kick his ass...

"Who knows, he "probably" would've gotten back up and kicked the guys ass if they were to go all 3 rounds, it's so shit to end a fight on a break up..."

"If this is how every UFC event is I am never watching it ever again"


BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH that is so retarded!....you post on a prowrestling forum. i'm telling everyone.

[Bishop]

yeah, tell everybody what they already know

they'll call you "original"

[PhatRick]

I was just skimming a pro wrestling forum that I post on and the things they said about Shamrock and the UFC. ladies and gentleman, I give to you, complete fucking idiots....

"That was shit... They should've kept going with the fight, if they get broken up by the ref, they should finish off all 3 rounds, complete shit..."

"Well someone with as much experience as ken shamrock if given the chance instead of a stupid break up would probably kick his ass...

"Who knows, he "probably" would've gotten back up and kicked the guys ass if they were to go all 3 rounds, it's so shit to end a fight on a break up..."

"If this is how every UFC event is I am never watching it ever again"

ignorance of america unleashed!!!!!!!

[Bishop]

ignorance of america unleashed!!!!!!!
the sad thing is, the majority of those who post there are from europe. but all those who made those kinds of comments came from the US

[uberfighter]

yeah, tell everybody what they already know

they'll call you "original"


sure they already know, but they have no idea.

[Bishop]

chairman is also a registered user there

pwned

[uberfighter]

chairman is also a registered user there

pwned






:eek: :eek: my world is crumbling before my eyes...or is it spinning. shit.

[Bishop]

the chairman211's profile (http://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=18264)

though he only has 4 posts, the fact that he's registered....priceless

[Bishop]

anybody know the payoff's for all the fighters tonight?

[PhatRick]

anybody know the payoff's for all the fighters tonight?
pussy....

lots of pussy

[Bishop]

pussy....

lots of pussy
strange brew? hoger?

[PhatRick]

hoger ..... yes
strangebrew... never

[Bishop]

is Stephan Bonnar's nickname really "American Psycho"? or did Goldberg just come up with that on the fly? if it's not his nickname, it should be

[PhatRick]

.. awaits bishops new name...

[uberfighter]

is Stephan Bonnar's nickname really "American Psycho"? or did Goldberg just come up with that on the fly? if it's not his nickname, it should be


i was surprised with that as well. i thought the name fit forrest much better. during his prefight talk, we were all like, "jesus, now that is one fucked up dude."

[PhatRick]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/PhatRick/gmail.jpg

[the chairman211]

the chairman211's profile (http://forums.rajah.com/member.php?u=18264)

though he only has 4 posts, the fact that he's registered....priceless
it was alllllllll worth it



*the best part is because their registration is so slow there's 8 days between your post and my response

[tak]

there should be some stipulation in diego's contract that he is never allowed to try and act tough, or be in a 15 foot radius of a microphone.

[MyAssIsFartsy]

there should be some stipulation in diego's contract that he is never allowed to try and act tough, or be in a 15 foot radius of a microphone.

Agreed. Other than his fighting inside the ring I don't want to see anything of him at all...

[Mad Processor]

How many of the fights did they air?

[Bishop]

seriously, Diego was overshadowed and forgotten once Forrest/Bonnar started to go all out. Diego's good, but he's not main card talent....yet. there's just so many things about him that annoy me. I agree with ghostwipe, if he's not in the cage, please DO NOT SHOW HIM

MP, they aired the 3 fights that were noted. like I said, they interviewed the celebrities in the crowd and did recaps over and over again instead of showing the dark matches :(

[Mad Processor]

seriously, Diego was overshadowed and forgotten once Forrest/Bonnar started to go all out. Diego's good, but he's not main card talent....yet. there's just so many things about him that annoy me. I agree with ghostwipe, if he's not in the cage, please DO NOT SHOW HIM

MP, they aired the 3 fights that were noted. like I said, they interviewed the celebrities in the crowd and did recaps over and over again instead of showing the dark matches :(

Fuck, I hate that "look at me" crap that's creeping into the UFC... So we basically won't get to see the fights before the dvd comes out or something?

Diego's a fucking tool. He acts and talks like a little kid, acting tough as nails and generally trying to pretend that he's cool as ice. His entire appearance is annoying so I agree, I definitely don't want to see or hear anything from that guy unless he's in a cage.

[Bishop]

bonnar/forrest was worth the entire 2 1/2 hours of the show. I'm still a little pumped about that fight. what great performances and heart shown by those two. I marked out though when Dana gave bonnar a 6-figure contract as well....quite possibly one of the best moments in the UFC

[Mad Processor]

bonnar/forrest was worth the entire 2 1/2 hours of the show. I'm still a little pumped about that fight. what great performances and heart shown by those two. I marked out though when Dana gave bonnar a 6-figure contract as well....quite possibly one of the best moments in the UFC

He DID? Damn!

Was the entire show worth watching? (Aside from Griffin/Bonnar)

[Bishop]

Diego/Kenny was one sided.

shamrock/franklin made shamrock look washed up, but will continue to be a draw. maybe it was the Bonnar/Forrest fight that took the steam out of the crowd or I was tired, but it was a lackluster fight and to me, didn't prove anything. franklin pretty much pushed the pace and controlled the entire fight other than shamrock attempting a heel hook

forrest/bonnar....man oh man, what a fight this was. it wasn't a technical fight, but these guys showed tremendous heart. everything about this fight was excellent. the lead up to the fight, Forrest on the mic, Bonnar on the mic, Dana giving Bonnar the 6-figure contract, the crowd....they were red hot and were into the post fight interviews. it was 60/40 fans for forrest, but at the end of the fight when they were reading the score cards, the fans were saying "Bonnar!" after every 29-28. the fans thought Bonnar won the fight, I thought Bonnar won the fight, but the judges didn't think so.

as for the rest, they showed the celebrities and did the shows recap. no mention of the dark matches at all. Chris Leben was shown in the crowd with his girlfriend, who's pretty damn hot by the way. Koscheck was also in the crowd with some random guy who kept screaming: "Forrest is the man!" Michael Duncan Clarke, Kevin James (king of queens), Chuck Zito, and some other guy that I can't think of his name....it's killing me. i'd watch it again, but I just put Reno 911 in the dvd player

Alfuh is most likely going to upload the bonnar/forrest fight. he already uploaded the shamrock/franklin and diego/kenny fights

[MyAssIsFartsy]

Originally posted by SCB in UFC:

It was a work!

Fact #1: Ken Shamrock has never thrown a high kick in his UFC or PRIDE history, yet for some reason he decides to throw one against Rich Franklin, even though Rich is TALLER.

Fact #2: Ken Shamrock is renowned for having the best leg locks of all time. Back when he was in Pancrase, if he got a leg, heel, or ankle the fight was over in 2 seconds. If the guy didn't tap, Ken would snap the limb and make the guy scream. In this fight with Rich, Ken had the heel in a PERFECT position and had a ton of time with it. Yet nothing happened and Rich eventually gets out as if nothing happened. If Ken actually wanted to do something with that heel, the fight would have been over in 2 seconds. The only reason that entire heel hook scenario came up was because Ken was covering up for his earlier mistake.

Fact #3: Shamrock's got a lot of money and has had his day in the spotlight. Franklin is the UFC's "new star" and they need him for their future.

Fact #4: The fight started at 11:15. If the fight went the distance, counting the time in between rounds, the show would have gone well over the timeslot. This would have been a disaster, being that there was a full 2.5 hours to show what would have been at most 11 rounds if every fight went the distance (plus the 4th round in both TUF fights). If the fight was legit, what would have happened if Ken/Rich went to a decision and why would the UFC possibly put the fight on so late?





Thoughts/comments?

[Mad Processor]

It was obvious long before the fight that people would be screaming "woooork" if Franklin won, it's just too convinient isn't it?

Boy do Pride and UFC suck at putting up works though, they always make a fighter do something he usually doesn't do and then let go of things he IS good at. Instead of TRYING to make it look like a legit fight they always make it extremely easy to find the flaws and see that it was a work. Sort of hints they put out there for the hardcore fan to see that it was a work.

Yeah it was convinient that Franklin won, but I still think it was a legit fight.

[Oliver Klosov]

It was obvious long before the fight that people would be screaming "woooork" if Franklin won, it's just too convinient isn't it?

Boy do Pride and UFC suck at putting up works though, they always make a fighter do something he usually doesn't do and then let go of things he IS good at. Instead of TRYING to make it look like a legit fight they always make it extremely easy to find the flaws and see that it was a work. Sort of hints they put out there for the hardcore fan to see that it was a work.

Yeah it was convinient that Franklin won, but I still think it was a legit fight.


It was legit, and Franklin probably would've won anyway - but the fact that he won because of Shamrock slipping was just disappointing, especially on the heels of the Bonnar/Griffin War.

[IX Equilibrium]

How many of the fights did they air?


Only 3. Franklin, Sanchez, and Griffin were the televised winners. They could have shown a couple of more fights. But the show was worth watching.

[Mad Processor]

Only 3. Franklin, Sanchez, and Griffin were the televised winners. They could have shown a couple of more fights. But the show was worth watching.

Cool, I'm going to try and get hold of the show, hopefully someone will upload it to the mm forum? *hint hint*

One other thing, if Shamrock always wins when he gets a lock in, how did Don Frye survive?

[Johnny Toetags]

god these idiots yelling work always piss me off...

[Bishop]

god these idiots yelling work always piss me off...
let's face the facts here....SCB lost money and probably lost some face over at UFC so he's crying work

[remy]

let's face the facts here....SCB lost money and probably lost some face over at UFC so he's crying work

nope. SCB pulled that off of another forum as a funny-haha.