UFC 62 8/26 Pre-Event Discussion - Sobral/Liddell - WEIGH IN RESULTS!

[OB Juan]

Diaz/Florian?

Do you mean Diego?

Eitehr way, Sherk/Florian isnt happening, at leat not yet...

Pwnt. Yeah.... I smoked my lunch today.

[derubermensch]

Just when I thought HERO's was gonna nab Okami and ruin his career, UFC flys in to the rescue. This should be a really good fight

[jadizm]

Damn this card is getting pretty impressive! Glad to see UFC signing Okami. Ken Flo better stay in for the 155 title spot. Id rather see that fight than Sherk/Stout.

Quick rundown on other WK members???

[OB Juan]

Quick rundown on other WK members???

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&association=Wajyutsu+Keisyukai+Tokyo

Admittedly, I'm not familiar w/ a mojority of these names.

[H]

WAR OKAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Charuto]

Anderson is scared.

[Snacks]

... I'm not a fan of Terrel or Okami. Terrell is overrated and Okami is known for winning by getting ko'd. IMHO. Should still be a good fight though. Okami is decent and terrell is pretty good too.

[slothman]

if they want a marketable title fight, the ufc should just set up pulver vs sherk. then have florian face the winner at a future date if thats what he wants.

[Gabriel]

if they want a marketable title fight, the ufc should just set up pulver vs sherk. then have florian face the winner at a future date if thats what he wants.

You know, between Stevenson, Fisher, Pulver, Sherk, Florian, Hominick, Guillard, and Franca it makes me wish the UFC still did tournaments.

[Doctor]

You know, between Stevenson, Fisher, Pulver, Sherk, Florian, Hominick, Guillard, and Franca it makes me wish the UFC still did tournaments.
agreed. i don't see why this wouldn't make sense.

[my sex is artsy]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?search=yes&association=Wajyutsu+Keisyukai+Tokyo

Admittedly, I'm not familiar w/ a mojority of these names.

That's only WK Tokyo. There's WK Tiger Place, WK RJW, WK A3, WK Toikatsu, WK NEO Style, WK Iwate, WK G2, and so on and so forth.

[Z A C H E R]

To bad Stevenson already fought recently, because a Sherk vs Stevenson fight would be good.
I just hope that going down in weight doesnt effect Sherk to much.

[derubermensch]

Okami is known for winning by getting ko'd.

Very good. Now go watch Okami fights

[Cosmetics]

I like Okami, but I'm still skeptical. I think this fight will answer a lot of questions regarding Okami's skills. I want to see a vicious Okami GnP.

[my sex is artsy]

Okami needs to cut to 170. Homeboy weighed in at 180 pounds for his fight with Takeuchi.

[derubermensch]

Okami needs to cut to 170. Homeboy weighed in at 180 pounds for his fight with Takeuchi.

Okami and Gono, together

[jadizm]

Being on good terms with the WK Network is great for the UFC if they want to get 155 rolling again.
Besides Uno, K-Taro, J-Taro is anyone else on Wk 155?.......and good.

[my sex is artsy]

Besides Uno, K-Taro, J-Taro is anyone else on Wk 155?.......and good.

K-Taro is 167/170, but could make 155. J-Taro fucking sucks.

Inoue and Monma can both make 155. They have another youngster whose name escapes me, as well.

[Snacks]

Very good. Now go watch Okami fights


K, post some?

*hopes his plan succeeds*

[Snacks]

Oh, and I still say that the Shields/Okami decision was fair.

[Mia]

Oh, and I still say that the Shields/Okami decision was fair.
I think you're the only one.

[Snacks]

I think you're the only one.

I don't know, the guys i was sitting with at the event thought it was fair!!!

[Charuto]

I don't know, the guys i was sitting with at the event thought it was fair!!! Were you drinking? No diss, actual question.

[Snacks]

Were you drinking? No diss, actual question.

Actually, no.

[36thDisciple]

War Okami!!

But goddamn, he is a tiny MW, he'll get smoked down the line

[Snacks]

So derUber, you gonna help with showing me what Okami's all about? or did my plan fail?

[Body_Shots]

http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=148499

Card is shaping up nicely.

[Carmack]

As far as looking ahead, expect a big announcement from UFC president Dana White tomorrow, live on ESPN.

Hmm..HBO deal?

[MilkChan]

http://sports.bostonherald.com/ufc/view.bg?articleid=148499

Card is shaping up nicely.

whattt? griffin's gonna take the fight convincingly this time around.

[Kilroy]

wow, Lidell and Griffin vs. Bonnar 2, im expecting huge ppv numbers on this one... :)

EDIT: And Dana announcment on ESPN, well, him jsut announcing osmetihng on ESPN is big in my book.
Im thinking 2 things.
1. Deal with HBO as mentioned.
2. Something more on the deal with Pride. (Not likely now that I think aobut it though)

But, when is he gonna announce it?

[CTY]

this card is looking even better now that they announced this.

War Bonnar!

[Canario]

this card is looking even better now that they announced this.

War Bonnar!

Please, Bonnar dies this time around.

[CTY]

Please, Bonnar dies this time around.

What makes you think that?

[Canario]

What makes you think that?

The fact that Forrest is training day in and day out with some of the best fighters out there, while Bonnar seems to have lost all hope and inspiration since the death of Carlson.

[CTY]

The fact that Forrest is training day in and day out with some of the best fighters out there, while Bonnar seems to have lost all hope and inspiration since the death of Carlson.

Fair enough. Edit: Bonnar has been training with quality people though, a lot of the same guys that are around AA.

[Kilroy]

Fair enough. Edit: Bonnar has been training with quality people though, a lot of the same guys that are around AA.

Yeah, and boy does AA seem to have a great camp and corner... ;)

[Canario]

Fair enough. Edit: Bonnar has been training with quality people though, a lot of the same guys that are around AA.

I wouldn't brag about that.

[Doctor]

I wouldn't brag about that.
why not?

[Canario]

why not?

MMA isn't boxing

[dr.rhonna]

i'm gonna say it now since it's pretty obvious and carlson gracie fans be damned, but forrest's bjj is actually levels above bonnars. i know bonnar have more hype but it's easy to see how he fails at the most basic aspects of setting up a sub in the evans fight. hell the forest from ifc could've tapped him.

for comparison look at how dean lister or even josh neer set up their subs, the transitions are so much smoother. so now we have forrest >> bonnar standing, and forrest >> bonnar on the ground, so really what's left?

[GNP]

I guess it's a good time for the rematch. Bonnar has not been to good lately and this could fire him up.

[my sex is artsy]

Neer vs. Alves is also rumored for this card.

[Canario]

Neer vs. Alves is also rumored for this card.

Does anyone else yell out "JOSH NEER" like one would say "MATT DAMON" whenever the Dentist is on screen???

[Gabriel]

Does anyone else yell out "JOSH NEER" like one would say "MATT DAMON" whenever the Dentist is on screen???

no

[Canario]

no


You really should, it works for Robbie Lawler too. If you do it in their presence, they get all confused and will eventually wander off.

[TILSON]

I figure I will go to a UFC some time within the year, so here is the question...

Go to this or hope that Liddell vs. Silva actually happens and go to it.

[Canario]

I figure I will go to a UFC some time within the year, so here is the question...

Go to this or hope that Liddell vs. Silva actually happens and go to it.

I'd wait, but I would rather see GSP get his belt over a Liddell fight.

[Kilroy]

Oh, and someone, 3PM EST on ESPN, let us know what danas announcement is right away ok? :)

[TILSON]

I'd wait, but I would rather see GSP get his belt over a Liddell fight.


Umm... That would be exciting but another Hughes victory is the likely outcome.

[Canario]

Umm... That would be exciting but another Hughes victory is the likely outcome.

Which will make good betting lines, so I'll make some cash when GSP takes the strap. Seriously though, I'd wait for the Silva fight.

[serenityDEVINE7]

Tough to call, I like Bonnar and Griffin. All I've got to say if hopefully Bonnar can make a good comeback after the Rashad fight. :eek:

[my sex is artsy]

Word is that Cheik Kongo vs. Christian Wellisch may be on for this card.

[LeiTong]

Wellisch? Skip the middle man and pay Kensuke Sasaki to come in and hit Kongo with the Volcano Eruption.

[my sex is artsy]

Wellisch? Skip the middle man and pay Kensuke Sasaki to come in and hit Kongo with the Volcano Eruption.

I knew you'd be on this shit in a heartbeat. I'm curious as to whether that fight was a work or not. X-1 was such a piece of shit.

[dr.rhonna]

kongo's fighting twice in 2 months? did aldana just do no damage at all??

[jadizm]

Is this Bonnars UFC PPV debut? I honestly don't think he will be able to hang with Griffin this time around.

All I hope is that 62 will be better than 61. I wonder how UFC 121 will be?

[Izanagi]

Wellisch? Skip the middle man and pay Kensuke Sasaki to come in and hit Kongo with the Volcano Eruption.

Only if Sasaki is in his Florida Brothers attire.

[Body_Shots]

http://62.ufc.com/

It's a awesome site, not only the set up but the content, check it out.

[Kilroy]

http://62.ufc.com/

It's a awesome site, not only the set up but the content, check it out.

Nice.

Did they have one for UFC 61?

[G-row]

They had it the first time for UFC 60.

[Kilroy]

They had it the first time for UFC 60.

Yeah, but they didnt have it for 61 did they?

[G-row]

I do not recall seeing it.
It is bad ass though!

[Body_Shots]

Besides the Kongo fight anybody have clue who's going to be on this card?

[Kim Jong-Il]

Okami in the UFC has me excited! he got robbed against Shields IMO in Hawaii. he is small though for 185. i dont think he would be much a threat to Franklin, but there is plenty of good fights for him, including this one against Terrell.

I also dont feel Bonnar will get far against Griffin this time. Griffin took Tito to a split when people didnt give him much a chance. Bonnar would have got pounded out. He just seems to be the same fighter still while Forrest has been making noise, even in defeat.

Liddell KO's Babalu again. It can go either way though.

[Mia]

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4051/micrositeemailblasttopow0.jpg

[NutzOnUrFace]

I somewhat hope Babalu beats Liddell, but then again, I wanna see Liddell/Silva, so I dunno what the hell I'm hoping for here

[Topside_Triangle]

I'm rooting for Chuck only in the hopes that UFC will send Babalu to PRIDE so we can get a Shogun/Babablu rematch at the PRIDE show in Vegas in October.

[Bishop]

Pride: The Real Deal

I just may go :)

As for Babalu/Liddell, I too want Babalu to win, but the thought of Silva/Liddell is what we all wanted: 3 years ago. Better late then never....though I'd rather see Shogun/Liddell and Silva/Belfort for some odd reason

[CTY]

Okami in the UFC has me excited! he got robbed against Shields IMO in Hawaii. he is small though for 185. i dont think he would be much a threat to Franklin, but there is plenty of good fights for him, including this one against Terrell.

I also dont feel Bonnar will get far against Griffin this time. Griffin took Tito to a split when people didnt give him much a chance. Bonnar would have got pounded out. He just seems to be the same fighter still while Forrest has been making noise, even in defeat.

Liddell KO's Babalu again. It can go either way though.

Tito wasn't healthy in the Forrest fight if I remember right, and if its true, that is what saved Forrests' ass. Because right off the bat Tito took him down and beat the hell out of him for the duration of the round.

As for Bonnar/Griffin 2, I dont think either guy will finish the fight, but I think the outcome will be the same.

[Kilroy]

Tito wasn't healthy in the Forrest fight if I remember right, and if its true, that is what saved Forrests' ass. Because right off the bat Tito took him down and beat the hell out of him for the duration of the round.

Yeah, Tito had a pretty fucked up knee.

But also, Forrest was overwhelmed and not mentally preperd for Tito in the first round.

I think a rematch would look very different.

[Marshal G.K. Zhukov]

Is this Bonnars UFC PPV debut? I honestly don't think he will be able to hang with Griffin this time around.

All I hope is that 62 will be better than 61. I wonder how UFC 121 will be?

Can you elaborate why you think Griffin is gonna stop Bonnar this time around? I'm not ragging on you, but I have a hard time making an argument for either guy.

[derubermensch]

Word is that Cheik Kongo vs. Christian Wellisch may be on for this card.

VIVE LA FRANCE!

[Tapout2GJJ]

http://62.ufc.com/

It's a awesome site, not only the set up but the content, check it out.
Wow, that is a really good site, thanks

[swope]

Can you elaborate why you think Griffin is gonna stop Bonnar this time around? I'm not ragging on you, but I have a hard time making an argument for either guy.

simply based on the quality of fights/fighters griffin has been hit with and how well hes fared, compared to bonnar's recent performances.. i consider griffin to be a fairly large fave.

[NutzOnUrFace]

simply based on the quality of fights/fighters griffin has been hit with and how well hes fared, compared to bonnar's recent performances.. i consider griffin to be a fairly large fave.

i hope the oddmakers put it close because of the last fight, so i can drop a ton of money on griffen

[swope]

i hope the oddmakers put it close because of the last fight, so i can drop a ton of money on griffen

someone had the odds out early at like -220 griffen, which made me giggle like a wee lass.

[Body_Shots]

Cory Walmsley vs David Heath
Josh Neer vs Thiago Alves
Gouveia vs Wes Combs
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3005

[my sex is artsy]

WAR TRYING TO FIND GUYS TO FIGHT AT 205!

Bring on Poai.

[Body_Shots]

So with Kongo vs Wellisch that pretty much rounds out their undercard, I think the 2 remaining bouts on the main card have to be good to insure that the event doesn't suck.

[my sex is artsy]

So with Kongo vs Wellisch that pretty much rounds out their undercard, I think the 2 remaining bouts on the main card have to be good to insure that event doesn't suck.

Kongo vs. Wellisch ain't going down. Kongo is on the K-1 Vegas card, getting his kickbox on.

[Body_Shots]

Kongo vs. Wellisch ain't going down. Kongo is on the K-1 Vegas card, getting his kickbox on.

Oh boy, well whatever the remaining 3 bouts are they better be good, they can't afford to have another UFC 61.

[derubermensch]

Kongo vs. Wellisch ain't going down. Kongo is on the K-1 Vegas card, getting his kickbox on.

Fuckin flakey frenchman

[Kilroy]

Oh boy, well whatever the remaining 3 bouts are they better be good, they can't afford to have another UFC 61.

I have a wierd feeling we are gonna see 1 more high-profile fight on this card...

[RampageOwnzAll]

I thought Loiseau Vs. Swick was going to happen here? What's the update of that? That's a fight I want to see.

[Kilroy]

I thought Loiseau Vs. Swick was going to happen here? What's the update of that? That's a fight I want to see.

I think it was moved to 63...

[RampageOwnzAll]

I think it was moved to 63...

That makes sense.

Too bad they were not having the event in Canada. That would make it so much better IMO.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

i hope karo gives diego a rabbiz punch to the face that knocks him unconcious.

A what???

[uberfighter]

lining the card with losing fighters is not really blowing my skirt up. besides the main two fights i am really uninterested so far.

as much as 61 was a letdown, it still looked great on paper.

[ScottNewMexico]

If Diego has recovered from being sick and has done his work, he will do well against Karo, despite winning or losing. I heard some of you say that he is obnoxious, etc., but I can tell you personally that he is a nice guy. Believe me, if he was a dick, I would not even comment. He has an agression and set of elbows that he uses that can tear ANYONE up. I have seen it, and all of you know that you can't fight your best with the FLU. I wish BOTH fighters well becuase they are BOTH good guys.

[ScottNewMexico]

I hope that someone gives YOU a rabbiz punch to the face that knocks YOU unconcious just for wishing ill of of ANY fighter!

Originally Posted by LadyDank
i hope karo gives diego a rabbiz punch to the face that knocks him unconcious.

[uberfighter]

If Diego has recovered from being sick and has done his work, he will do well against Karo, despite winning or losing. I heard some of you say that he is obnoxious, etc., but I can tell you personally that he is a nice guy. Believe me, if he was a dick, I would not even comment. He has an agression and set of elbows that he uses that can tear ANYONE up. I have seen it, and all of you know that you can't fight your best with the FLU. I wish BOTH fighters well becuase they are BOTH good guys.


i think you're in the wrong thread, guy.

[Gabriel]

I hope that someone gives YOU a rabbiz punch to the face that knocks YOU unconcious just for wishing ill of of ANY fighter!


You're right, I never wish any fighter would get knocked out in a fight, I mean is asking them to solve their differences with a rousing game of rock/papers/scissors really asking so much?

[ScottNewMexico]

ha ha and nice picture - that guy cracks me up!

You're right, I never wish any fighter would get knocked out in a fight, I mean is asking them to solve their differences with a rousing game of rock/papers/scissors really asking so much?

[ScottNewMexico]

Might be. I will repost in the correct location ;)
i think you're in the wrong thread, guy.

[BigJ383]

Oh boy, well whatever the remaining 3 bouts are they better be good, they can't afford to have another UFC 61.
I still don't see what was that wrong with 61. I really enjoyed Yves vs. Stevenson, and Neer vs. Burkman. Really the only really bad fight was Mir vs. Christison and that was because Mir came in way out of shape. I even like Sylvia vs. Arlovski it didn't end like expected but I enjoyed it. The only problem with 61 was 3 of the main card fights went the distance which has no bearing on the card itself. UFC could set up a bunch of one sided matches that all end in a KO or sub but who wants to see that.

[Z A C H E R]

LIDDELL NOT LOOKING PAST 'BABALU'


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2442&zoneid=13




It was announced at UFC 61: “Bitter Rivals” that Liddell will finally get the fight he has been wanting for years, a fight with Pride Middleweight Champion Wanderlei Silva in November provided he can get past Renato Sobral at UFC 62.

The question has been asked, are Liddell and the UFC looking past “Babalu?” Are they counting their chickens before they hatch?

“I’ll be taking those fights one day at a time. I’ve got Babalu first, and that’s the one I’m worried about,” Liddell told MMAWeekly.

Asked if he was looking past Babalu, Liddell replied, “I would never do him the disrespect of looking past him. He’s a tough fighter, and he’s not an easy guy to knockout. I mean, obviously, he had never been knocked out. I knocked him out, but I caught him with a good kick, and he wasn’t out cold. The guy has won ten fights in a row since then. He’s a great fighter. Don’t get me wrong, I plan on knocking him out in this fight, finding a way, but I don’t think it’s going to be easy.”

With the biggest fight in mixed martial arts history looming in the balance, the biggest fight in Liddell’s career is the one at hand.

Liddell stated, “The possibility of actually getting to fight Wanderlei actually motivates me to train a little harder to get ready for this fight. I think Babalu is a tougher fight for me than Wanderlei. I’m going to train hard for him, and I’ll be ready for him.”

There’s a lot of pressure on the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion to win this fight. Not only is his belt at stake, a loss would most likely end his quest to enter into battle with Wanderlei Silva, throwing a monkey wrench in the plans for the first ever real mixed martial arts world championship bout.

Liddell has never lost a rematch, but “Babalu” intends to change that on August 26th, and spoil the future plans.

[ScottNewMexico]

Great post Chris! Says that Chuck is a little worried and that suprises me to hear such words from THE MAN.

LIDDELL NOT LOOKING PAST 'BABALU'


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=2442&zoneid=13

[Body_Shots]

8/2/2006 9:01:00 PM
UFC 62 card change

David Terrell has pulled out of his UFC 62 fight with Yushin Okami due to a sinus infection. Terrell just pulled out today so there is no replacement finalized.

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[RampageOwnzAll]

Likely some TUF fighter will replace him. Hope it's Kalib Starnes.

[Doctor]

----
terrell should start taking vitamins

[NutzOnUrFace]

As for Terrell pulling out...I really can't say I'm too surprised at all.

[derubermensch]

Likely some TUF fighter will replace him. Hope it's Kalib Starnes.

I hope its starns so Okami can shitkick him

[Gabriel]

I hope its starns so Okami can shitkick him

I would actually love to see that fight......so I could watch Starnes tap him out....

[derubermensch]

I would actually love to see that fight......so I could watch Starnes tap him out....

No

[Body_Shots]

The UFC or Starnes would have some 'splaining to do on how he isn't healthy enough to fight Wallace but is up for the Okami fight.

[derubermensch]

The UFC or Starnes would have some 'splaining to do on how he isn't healthy enough to fight Wallace but is up for the Okami fight.

owned

[Mr. Blue]

David Terrell refuses to let the young gun Einemo take his spot as the most fragile man in MMA.

[my sex is artsy]

David Terrell refuses to let the young gun Einemo take his spot as the most fragile man in MMA.

*friable

[jadizm]

So what happened to Terrell?

[NutzOnUrFace]

So what happened to Terrell?

Sinus infection

[dragomort]

Well, luckily they did just get finished with a tuf cast full of fighters ready to take a fight at the drop of a hat.....well, some of them maybe? The MW field is full of replacements. I was hoping we'd get Lister vs Marquardt on this card, as both haven't fought in a bit, but either of them is a good fight along with Ed Herman and Evan Tanner (Grove probably has his match set already and not as a last minute replacement for the winner) and there are plenty of match-ups to be made for a MW depending on if they want to build him up quick, slow, or chew him up and spit him out(if they can).

I'd say if it's possible they'll give us Okami vs Tanner. A Tanner win would prove nothing to casual fans, at least not enough to put him into immediate title challenger. An Okami win would put Okami in the spotlight though and give them another new marketable MW.

Why the heck am I speculating like this?...I guess I'm too bored and desperate for another big event. *sigh* The card's not even complete yet and it's starting to crumble for my addict needs (sure it's just one bout, but that's the #2 bout of the night probably, I just can't get stoked for Forrest/Stephan 2 yet).

[RampageOwnzAll]

Anderson Silva Vs. Okami would make sense...

[dragomort]

Well, I think he should have a minimum of one more fight before a title shot, but it looks like they're gonna push him into a title shot when Rich is ready to go. Not sure how accurate that is or will be, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

[Body_Shots]

Alan Belcher is being talked about as the replacement.

[derubermensch]

Alan Belcher is being talked about as the replacement.

Who?

[Gabriel]

Who?

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=10967

[Kilroy]

That sucks, I really like Terrell...
They need at least 1 more big name fight on this card...

[jadizm]

Terrell being out now makes this card excluding the main event a piece of shit.

[TILSON]

Sinus infection? It is still like 2 weeks away! Randleman fought (and defeated) Babalu with shit literally running out of his ass!!!

[Charuto]

It's not a hindrance if you don't care about holding it in.

[OB Juan]

Weak. Too many fighters are scared of losing nowadays and back out for the littlest excuses.

[dragomort]

Well, considering how the UFC has treated some losers in the past it's no surprise that noone wants to screw themselves over. Especially when they're in line for a title shot.

This card needs 2 more good match-ups with at least one being a #1 contender bout, hope they can make it happen. 2 bad UFC's in a row isn't good with the attention they're getting as the sole provider of MMA (for most 'fans' at least), they really need to start making some over the top cards at this point to capitalize on people's interest, IMO.

[my sex is artsy]

Jamie Varner vs. Hermes Franca may be on for this card.

[KawikaVeeka]

This card has hit a wall of shit.
One marquee fight. Soon we'll get another bump in price that will make the ppvs $50 each.
Boxing style ppvs.....HERE WE COME!!!!

[my sex is artsy]

This card has hit a wall of shit.
One marquee fight. Soon we'll get another bump in price that will make the ppvs $50 each.
Boxing style ppvs.....HERE WE COME!!!!

Way to jump the gun.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I think the best fight on this card will be Neer/ Alves.

I'm pretty sure Liddell is going to knock Babalu out again. I don't give a shit about Bonnar and Griffin. I don't know why their first fight is so popular. It was the worst display of technique I've seen with exception to Pe De Pano vs. Monson. And I just plain don't care who wins.

[catch-as-catch can]

I wouldn't count out Babalu and if the price is right come fight time I just might put a little wager on him. He is not the same tough street fighter that Chuck almost killed ages a go. He is a vastly technically improved fighter, who doesn't take fights on short notice anymore. Now, he actually trains hard. Watch out!

[swope]

I wouldn't count out Babalu and if the price is right come fight time I just might put a little wager on him. He is not the same tough street fighter that Chuck almost killed ages a go. He is a vastly technically improved fighter, who doesn't take fights on short notice anymore. Now, he actually trains hard. Watch out!

ill bet on him for the rematch in 2007. i was going to say 'providing he gets past tito' but even if he loses to tito, there will still be a liddell v babalu 2 in 2007 because hey, who the fuck else are they going to bring in?

my money is going on chuck and forrest on the 26th.

[Kilroy]

ill bet on him for the rematch in 2007. i was going to say 'providing he gets past tito' but even if he loses to tito, there will still be a liddell v babalu 2 in 2007 because hey, who the fuck else are they going to bring in?

my money is going on chuck and forrest on the 26th.

you do know that lidell vs babalu 2 is now on the 26th though?
That is the rematch...

[OB Juan]

I wouldn't count out Babalu and if the price is right come fight time I just might put a little wager on him. He is not the same tough street fighter that Chuck almost killed ages a go. He is a vastly technically improved fighter, who doesn't take fights on short notice anymore. Now, he actually trains hard. Watch out!

Agreed. For some reason I just don't see Chuck as being that freaking amazing. Yeah, he's a good fighter, but he's not unbeatable. I'm thinking Babalu is the man to get the job done. I wish I knew which way the lines were gonna move, to make a bet now or wait.

[TILSON]

Agreed. For some reason I just don't see Chuck as being that freaking amazing. Yeah, he's a good fighter, but he's not unbeatable. I'm thinking Babalu is the man to get the job done. I wish I knew which way the lines were gonna move, to make a bet now or wait.


From my experience most of the really late money comes in on the favorite. So if you are laying cash on Babalu I would wait until the last minute.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

I wouldn't count out Babalu and if the price is right come fight time I just might put a little wager on him. He is not the same tough street fighter that Chuck almost killed ages a go. He is a vastly technically improved fighter, who doesn't take fights on short notice anymore. Now, he actually trains hard. Watch out!

HIs style still matches up poorly with Liddell's.

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Jamie Varner vs. Hermes Franca may be on for this card.


Its confirmed



(http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Spencer Fisher (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118) ( (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=5118@@Spencer Fisher)) was set to return to the Octagon on August 26 against (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Jamie Varner (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=7168), but Sherdog.com has learned that the lightweight injured his back while preparing for the bout and is off the pay-per-view card.

Fisher?s manager Monte Cox said his fighter, upon being examined by their team doctor, was denied medical clearance.

On Friday morning (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Hermes Franca (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=3068) ( (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=3068@@Hermes Franca)) confirmed to Sherdog.com that he has accepted to replace Fisher and fight Varner.

Franca (15-5) will be shooting for his sixth straight win in 2006 after a disappointing 2005 that saw him drop each of his three fights. Another win could vault him into title contention for the UFC?s vacant lightweight belt.

Varner (11-1) fights out of (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Trevor Lally (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=359) ( (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)Pictures (http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?f_id=359@@Trevor Lally))?s Arizona Combat Sports in Tempe, Ariz. He is unbeaten in his last 12 fights, including two No Contests. Franca will be a step up in competition for the submission specialist, who is making his UFC debut.
(http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=5118)

[dragomort]

Varner (11-1) fights out of Trevor Lally (Pictures)’s Arizona Combat Sports in Tempe, Ariz. He is unbeaten in his last 12 fights, including two No Contests. Franca will be a step up in competition for the submission specialist, who is making his UFC debut.

Am I the only one that finds that part a bit odd. 11-1 and unbeaten in his last 12, eh??

[Mr. Blue]

Am I the only one that finds that part a bit odd. 11-1 and unbeaten in his last 12, eh??

Varner lost his second professional fight and then won 10 of his next twelve with the other two being no contests, hence "unbeaten in his last 12".

[dragomort]

Ahh, makes sense now. Why the 2 no contests, anyone know? Don't see too many of those.

[Body_Shots]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3031

[H]

^^^ totally saw that coming, as Kongo dropped out of the K1 Las Vegas GP yesterday.

[NutzOnUrFace]

Terrell is a fucking pussy. A sinus infection? Come on. It'd better be a really bad one...

[Phalanx]

Even if it was really serious, wouldn't a shot of penicillin clear it up in a couple days?

[catch-as-catch can]

HIs style still matches up poorly with Liddell's.
Quite the contrary. He's not going to do a Tito and has the ability to take Chuck to the ground (ala Rampage) where he can definitely submitt him. A leg lock wouldn't suprise me.

[Bishop]

can we get an update in the first post of this thread with all the scheduled fights instead of having to search through 13+ pages to see who's fighting who? Thread title should just read: "UFC 62 8/26 Discussion w/scheduled fight card"

[Kilroy]

can we get an update in the first post of this thread with all the scheduled fights instead of having to search through 13+ pages to see who's fighting who? Thread title should just read: "UFC 62 8/26 Discussion w/scheduled fight card"

-Chuck Liddell vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title
-Forrest Griffin vs. Stephan Bonnar
-Josh Neer vs. Thiago Alves
-Hermes Franca vs. Jamie Varner
-Yushin Okami vs. Alan Belcher
-Wes Combs vs. Wilson Gouveia
-David Heath vs. Cory Walmsley
-Christian Wellisch vs. Cheick Kongo

[VprinceL]

-Chuck Liddell vs. Renato "Babalu" Sobral for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title
-Forrest Griffin vs. Stephan Bonnar
-Josh Neer vs. Thiago Alves
-Hermes Franca vs. Jamie Varner
-Yushin Okami vs. Alan Belcher
-Wes Combs vs. Wilson Gouveia
-David Heath vs. Cory Walmsley
-Christian Wellisch vs. Cheick Kongo


Looks like a good card to me. Dunno what all the complainin is about.

[kcb]

WAR BILOXI'S ALAN BELCHER!

When Alan came in and told us he was replacing Terrell, we thought he was shitting us. Great stuff. Alan looks great and ready to go.

[my sex is artsy]

Some parts of this card are just big bag of dicks, like Gouveia/Combs and I'm honestly not excited for Neer/Alves. But 205 and heavyweight need help, so I'm eager to see the newcomers. And Okami.

[kcb]

Some parts of this card are just big bag of dicks, like Gouveia/Combs and I'm honestly not excited for Neer/Alves. But 205 and heavyweight need help, so I'm eager to see the newcomers. And Okami.

Never heard about Okami. What do you know about him?

[Whining Pussy]

he beat Jake Shields at the ROTR tourney and got knocked silly by an illegal kick from Anderson Silva to win by DQ.

he's the cure for the consummate cager.

[kcb]

he beat Jake Shields at the ROTR tourney and got knocked silly by an illegal kick from Anderson Silva to win by DQ.

he's the cure for the consummate cager.

Oh. Well then, Belcher by flying rear naked choke.

[Phalanx]

Aside from Sobral/Liddell, I think I'm most interested in Alves/Neer. What don't you dig about that one, MSIA?

I'm a total Franca cock-grabber, so seeing him fight Varner should be cool. The one cool thing about this card is that we may very well see 7-8 fights, ala UFC 60. That plus me not paying for it because of my buddies = teh tits.

[Bishop]

Some parts of this card are just big bag of dicks, like Gouveia/Combs and I'm honestly not excited for Neer/Alves. But 205 and heavyweight need help, so I'm eager to see the newcomers. And Okami.
Gouveia should be 100% this time around and should be able to do what he did to Jardine....but for 3 full rounds this time around if needed.

Why hasn't Alves moved down to 155 yet?

[Bishop]

Aside from Sobral/Liddell, I think I'm most interested in Alves/Neer. What don't you dig about that one, MSIA?
I'm pissed that Alves gets beat by Fitch, but continues to get on PPV's and has his fights shown....Fitch has not had 1 of his fights televised

[Phalanx]

Alves would look better at 155lbs, not that he hasn't looked impressive at 170lbs. I just think he'd have a better outside chance at contending for a belt there than taking on huge Welterweights like Karo, Diego, St. Pierre, Riggs or Hughes.

[dragomort]

he beat Jake Shields at the ROTR tourney and got knocked silly by an illegal kick from Anderson Silva to win by DQ.

LOL. I actually like that summary. I am curious if the move for him to MW is permanent or not. He seems quality, but I haven't seen too much of him to say for sure and look forward to seeing what he does n his next few (in other words, a possible contender, but still a bit of a dark horse right now).

The card as a whole looks ok, but nothing to drool over and that's what they need after the last one. Two bad shows in a row will hurt any org that's moving this fast and a slowing of momentum isn't what anyone wants. As long as these guys come to win and show what they're made of it should be good, it does have the potential to suck, but I'm not sensing it as strongly as I was before the last card (which is nowhere near as bad as everyone blasts it for, it just wasn't anywhere near $40 of entertainment or at the level you know they can deliver without much more effort comparatively).

[Phalanx]

I'm pissed that Alves gets beat by Fitch, but continues to get on PPV's and has his fights shown....Fitch has not had 1 of his fights televised

Yeah, good luck explaining that one. It's not like Fitch is Filhoing his way through the Welterweight division. I still want to see the guy get built up, but there's really no reason why they shouldn't put him on a televised/PPV fight that's actually shown.

[Bishop]

I was very impressed with Okami when he fought Ryuta Sakurai. If anybody has that fight available, up it for those who haven't seen Okami fight.

[Bishop]

Yeah, good luck explaining that one. It's not like Fitch is Filhoing his way through the Welterweight division. I still want to see the guy get built up, but there's really no reason why they shouldn't put him on a televised/PPV fight that's actually shown.
Fitch has actually wrecked all those the UFC has put infront of him. Burkman continues to get on TV and Alves as well....hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Fitch is GSP's future nemesis

[dragomort]

Alves would look better at 155lbs, not that he hasn't looked impressive at 170lbs. I just think he'd have a better outside chance at contending for a belt there than taking on huge Welterweights like Karo, Diego, St. Pierre, Riggs or Hughes.

I just wish fighters would get into a weight class and stay there, at this point I have no idea if some of the WW's are now LW's or not and the UFC website doesn't even list LW fighters (what the heck is with that, anyway) for me to check. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the only WW's are GSP and Hughes by the next UFC at the rate it's going. Riggs changes weight at will, although seems to like WW better, Karo and Diego I think could both make it to 155 (not easily, but possibly) and be immediate forces and BJ doesn't know what weight he should be or what fight he wants or deserves.

[dr.rhonna]

Some parts of this card are just big bag of dicks, like Gouveia/Combs and I'm honestly not excited for Neer/Alves. But 205 and heavyweight need help, so I'm eager to see the newcomers. And Okami.

dude neer/alves is gonna be awesome, alves is gonna pound the living personality back into neer and make him bleed like a stuck-up pig, and then fall to a triangle 2 rounds and 4 min 58secs in

[dy-no-mite3000]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/chopsueychris/liddellbabalu.jpg

thats what i saw while driving home from work outside of cbs on friday afternoon :)

not a bad sized advertisement in nyc huh?

[PhatRick]

jesus christ... that was a well spen mil

[Kilroy]

Damn that looks nice!

[kcb]

Question to people in the know:

Do you think Otami vs. Belcher will be on PPV?

[dy-no-mite3000]

Question to people in the know:

Do you think Otami vs. Belcher will be on PPV?
I would say Swingbout AT BEST.

The fact Cheick Kongo just got added to the card and I assume he'll open the PPV, big strong HW to showcase is a good opener. You know Thiago's fight will air, then you got Bonnar/Griffin and ofcourse Babalu's world title win, complete with Brazillian riot in the cage in celebration as they all chant "ZOO JEETZ ZOO!!! when he wins a split jd for the title.
Otami means nothing to North American fans, and I would suspect we won't see him showcased on an event for atleast 1 or 2 more events.

[dy-no-mite3000]

jesus christ... that was a well spen mil
Probably cost them LESS than this billboard cost them in Times Square last Holloween :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/chopsueychris/Photo_103105_002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/chopsueychris/Photo_103105_003.jpg

[kcb]

I would say Swingbout AT BEST.



:(

I wasn't getting my hopes up. No one knows Otami or Belcher, really. Maybe the entire card will be nothing but KOs and subs, so we'll see every fight.

You know what? Getting an interview with Belcher is doable, seeing as how I have his cell number in my celly. I'm not good with interview shit, but I could maybe set something up. Let me know.

[dy-no-mite3000]

talk to jimbo, he's our interview setup guy for the site.
;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/chopsueychris/UFC62BANNER.jpg

****NEW BK NOIR SKIN THEME BANNER IS UP**

[kcb]

talk to jimbo, he's our interview setup guy for the site.
;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/chopsueychris/UFC62BANNER.jpg

****NEW BK NOIR SKIN THEME BANNER IS UP**

Will do.

*roots for Sobral*

*puts money on Chuck*

[Kilroy]

/me changes to noir theme

nice... :)

[derubermensch]

I'm diggin the noir theme

[dragomort]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3040

08/07/2006
MacDonald to Face Schafer at UFC 62
By Thomas Gerbasi

TUF 2 alumnus Rob MacDonald will look to follow-up his June win over Kristian Rothaermel with another victory when he takes on UFC newcomer Eric Schafer in a light heavyweight bout at UFC 62, which will be held on August 26 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

“He’s got a pretty good name, he’s an up and comer, and this is a must win situation for me, the way I look at it,” said Toronto’s MacDonald, who submitted Rothaermel with an armbar in the first round of their bout on June 28th.

In Schafer, ‘Maximus’ will be facing a jiu-jitsu brown belt from Milwaukee, Wisconsin who has won three fights in a row, all by submission, and who is eager to make his Octagon debut.

“The UFC is the premier MMA show in the USA,” said the 28-year-old Schafer. “Every fighter wants to fight in the UFC, just like every football player wants to play in the NFL.”

Tickets for UFC 62, which is headlined by the UFC light heavyweight championship bout between Chuck Liddell and Renato ‘Babalu’ Sobral and the highly-anticipated rematch between Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar, are on sale now. To purchase tickets, click here.


There's the riveting final match-up for the card. Anyone want to complain/rejoice?

[Kilroy]

Still feels pretty week to me actually, but, Im hoping for a good event...
And they are getting so many events out I guess we cant expect packed cards anymore...

[dragomort]

As long as there are a few guys who I know I want to see and some guys in title contention fights (none here :( and you have to wonder why) and some up and comers given a shot I'm usually happy. This one is a little bit light on names, but if it delivers on action I'll be happy and there are about 3-4 fights I'm curious on and should be at least good fights, so I can't complain too much.

[my sex is artsy]

While the card on paper doesn't really make your nuts tingle or anything, replenishing the 205 and heavyweight classes is a must do for the UFC, and at least we're seeing they're trying to make it happen. The card should have a fair amount of finishes, so we should get to see most of the fights. Best case scenario, we get UFC 37 again.

[Bishop]

I really like how the UFC is taking chances on all these newcomers....also, they are saving alot of cash by dishing out $2k or $3k for each of these guys to fight. Also, they know Liddell/Babalu and Forrest/Bonnar will sell by itself, so now is the perfect time to experiment with these new names and some of these guys are diamonds in the rough

[Kilroy]

I would've jsut wanted 1 more fight to care about, Terrel out makes me sad... :(

EDIT: Definition of care: Actually rooting for someone instead of just having an general interest in seeing who wins, also comperd to a speficic interest in who wins...
Except for Chuck vs. Babalu, I dont really care or am interested in one way or the other...

[VprinceL]

Lots of LHW bouts on this card.

Liddell vs Sobral
Bonnar vs Griffin
Combs vs Gouveia
Walmsley vs Heath
MacDonald vs Schafer

These are going to be all good LHW fights and are going to be competitive. The only ones I don't know are Walmsley and Heath.

You could say, replenishing the LHW roster?

Its great that they are adding more fighters to the ir LHW division.

The LHW division in both Pride and UFC needs some work.

All the LHWs on this card could be future stars.

Macdonald and Gouveia are probably the best out of the group.

[Body_Shots]

I don't like the card at all, but I'm interested to see if any these guys are good....some I've seen before and I'm not impressed with (MacDonald, Combs) other have been impressive (Wilson), I hope Alves beats Neer...while I think Josh may be the better fighter I don't enjoy watching him fight, Thiago is much more entertaining. The UFC is taking a big risk puting a PPV in the hands of newcomers, it's not like UFC 61 where the proven fighters shit the bed, if this card turns out to be a monumental failure they can only blame themselves.

[NutzOnUrFace]

This card sucks balls, plain and simple. Sure, it might be entertaining, but for great fighters, it's terrible.

But, on the other hand, there are a ton of LHW bouts which they desperately need. Now, they need to hope that a couple of them are very impressive. I would have liked to see Vera on the card though.

[adamn]

I just don't get it. They raise the price of the PPV, but lower the quality of the matches.

I think Dana's smoking crack.

[adamn]

I just don't get it. They raise the price of the PPV, but lower the quality of the matches.



Maybe a bit extreem, but the fight cards as of late seem to be getting worse and worse..

[GNP]

I still think they waited too long for Bonnar/Griffin. Once Forrest fought Tito, this rematch lost it's appeal and it got worse when Bonnar lost to Evans. I know they have to get some new guys some burn to keep things interesting, but the headliners would have held the card tight had Bonnar and Forrest not lost recently.

[my sex is artsy]

I think Dana's smoking crack.

* Joe Silva.

[Body_Shots]

The cards are getting worse because they're doing more shows than they've ever done, there are going to be 17 UFC cards this year (at the least), the UFC is talking about 20 next year...expect the same, sometimes you'll have a UFC 59 (stacked with alot of talented fighters) sometimes you'll get a UFC 62 (filled with unknown talent).

[RampageOwnzAll]

Damn, looks like I'm making my friend pitch in some money for the event if I'm ordering.

Why wont they have Loiseau Vs. Swick here? It makes the most sense, they could do alot better then this. They need anything to improve of that disaster last month, and this ain't helping.

[Kilroy]

The cards are getting worse because they're doing more shows than they've ever done, there are going to be 17 UFC cards this year (at the least), the UFC is talking about 20 next year...expect the same, sometimes you'll have a UFC 59 (stacked with alot of talented fighters) sometimes you'll get a UFC 62 (filled with unknown talent).

Excactly...

But, they are getting alot more new talent, and hopefully the divisions will stack up nicely, but as of now they are expanding faster then their talent, but, im not complaining anyway.

I would rather have UFC 61 and 62 then the biggest fights from thoose events on 1 card...

[Bishop]

Like I said before about myself liking them bringing in alot of new fighters, but a PPV isn't exactly the grounds for so many of them to debut. They have UFN's that are on Spike where they can establish the new guys. They've been having all the more recognizable fighters compete on stacked UFN's and most of them deserve to be on PPV....that's my only gripe

[my sex is artsy]

Like I said before about myself liking them bringing in alot of new fighters, but a PPV isn't exactly the grounds for so many of them to debut. They have UFN's that are on Spike where they can establish the new guys. They've been having all the more recognizable fighters compete on stacked UFN's and most of them deserve to be on PPV....that's my only gripe

But the flipside to that is that if they're on the PPV, our chances of seeing the new jacks in the prelims are exponentially better.

[TSOM]

any truth to this?

www.brandonvera.com (top right hand corner)


If so, that tells me they are just trying to do away with Mir in quick fashion, being a former pretty big Mir fan, that sucks, but his last outing was anything but impressive....


Anyone have word on this?

[Tokyudo]

Brandon Vera vs Frank Mir at UFC 62!

http://www.brandonvera.com

[fightguy]

I think Vera will beat Mir, if Frank's last few fights are any indication of what is to come

[watch-the-Gi]

I think Vera will beat Mir, if Frank's last few fights are any indication of what is to come

and the truth will set you free

[VprinceL]

Brandon Vera vs Frank Mir at UFC 62!

http://www.brandonvera.com

HELLS YEAH!!!

Liddel vs Babalu
Okami debuts in UFC
Mir vs Vera
And the rumored Franca fight!!!

woo!!!

This looks like a good event to me.

Plus a whole shitload of new LHWs.

[Phalanx]

I can almost smell the desperation. Vera via 2nd round TKPwnage.

[Skean]

I think Vera will beat Mir, if Frank's last few fights are any indication of what is to come
I agree. It's also a good that they seem to be building Vera up. He's always been exciting in his fights and hopefully will continue the way he has been. He has a good future ahead of him.

[dy-no-mite3000]

MIRS GONNAA GET KTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hussar1]

The card kinda sucks.

Where the hell are the LWs and WWs ?????????????????

[Nuke]

The Vera always puts on a show so this should be good. I like that UFC is trying deeping all there divisons, hopefully they can find some good HW's.

[dragomort]

Well, the card went from meh to hooray in a single fight, impressive. That being said it makes me sad that Mir doesn't get a chance to slowly return to grace or at least be disposed of at the point of his contract being up. Vera wanted PDP and now he gets to dispose of a Mir that still hasn't actually returned (I did like old Mir *sniffle*). Should have been Vera vs Sugarfoot and Mir vs Gonzaga, but I guess they want to squeeze the worth from Mir while he still has some to give. If that's the case though, he'll still have time for another bout before a title one, too.

[my sex is artsy]

The card kinda sucks.

Where the hell are the LWs and WWs ?????????????????

WWs? Who cares? They can wait for another time. At least we actually know good ones exist.

[dragomort]

Well, I'd just like to know there is still a WW division and who the heck is in it with the mass exodus to LW that every WW fighter is taking in the UFC and some of the ones that should don't. That being said, even with the WW division split in half it's still deeper than the HW division and LHW division as it was.

[VprinceL]

Well, I'd just like to know there is still a WW division and who the heck is in it with the mass exodus to LW that every WW fighter is taking in the UFC and some of the ones that should don't. That being said, even with the WW division split in half it's still deeper than the HW division and LHW division as it was.

WW
Hughes
GSP
Fitch
Burkman
Neer
Alves
Sanchez
Parysian
Cummo
Goulet
Kos
Healy
Torres
Morgan
Petz
Pellegrino
Fickett
Riggs
JVF

+the TUF4 Competitors
Burnett
Carter
Serra
Clementi
Spratt
Lytle
Thomas
Jackson

-----

LW
Guillard
Ruedigar
Joe "Daddy"
Yves
Sherk
KenFlo
Stout
Hominick
Gurgel
Franca
Wiman
Pulver

Hmm... Thats all i can think of.

[NutzOnUrFace]

Mir has to finish this before he gasses.

So, if Mir doesn't finish in 3 minutes or less, he's losing badly.

So, going with that, Mir will probably get owned badly.

[PhatRick]

Looks like they are gonna use their new golden boy to get rid of their old golden boy... I dig it

[dragomort]

Neer--moving to LW
Cummo--could move to LW, but won't if Serra is there I'm guessing
Riggs--can't decide what weight he wants, but it looks like it'll be WW for now
JVF--should be LW unless he's bulked up for WW
Serra--natural/former LW
Healy--natural 155er (did they sign him and I missed it??)
Torres--is he still on the roster?
Morgan--somewhere between weghts, plus his last few have been outside the octagon, I think they just resigned him a bit ago...forgot about him though
Petz (hasn't fought yet in the UFC)
Pellegrino--natural LW
(when I say natural, I mean they've fought there a lot in the past and probably in the past year and it wouldn't be surprising to find them at LW)

The TUF4 Competitors as a whole could move around in weight once they're signed like all other tuf participants.

It just seems very volatile right now in those divisions and UFC still hasn't updated their site to list LW's --which makes me bitter. I won't bother with the amount of current LWs that were in WW as it wouldn't be fair (seeing as there wasn't a lower division a little bit earlier), I just got lost between people saying they were going to LW (i.e. Neer), those doing it (i.e. lots of them)and those that can and waffle between whether they will or not (i.e. Bang).

[Bishop]

Alves should be making the jump to LW as well

[dragomort]

Alves should be making the jump to LW as well
See what I mean :(
The once stacked WW division has noone but the top 5 or so and everyone else who's changing weight to avoid losing to them (well, that's not the only reason, but I'm sure it's part of it for a good few of them). Heck, Diego could probably move to LW at some point, which I'd laugh myself to death if he announces that if Ken-Flo gets the title. I'm not too worried about the division for now as there are still a good amount of match-ups left with just the top few, but those underneath have vanished and it could pose a future problem if not addressed relatively soon.

[my sex is artsy]

See what I mean :(
The once stacked WW division has noone but the top 5 or so and everyone else who's changing weight to avoid losing to them (well, that's not the only reason, but I'm sure it's part of it for a good few of them). Heck, Diego could probably move to LW at some point, which I'd laugh myself to death if he announces that if Ken-Flo gets the title. I'm not too worried about the division for now as there are still a good amount of match-ups left with just the top few, but those underneath have vanished and it could pose a future problem if not addressed relatively soon.

170 is a fucking factory in North America. It has long, long, long term sustainability, so the guys moving to 155 really isn't a worry.

[dragomort]

170 is a fucking factory in North America. It has long, long, long term sustainability, so the guys moving to 155 really isn't a worry.
Yeah, 155 and 170 has people everywhere, so I'm not worried at all, thus my last sentence above. Still, the title challenger should be well known to the crowd for it to be a money maker and with the divisions in disarray it could be a problem if they get sloppy. That said, they've got about a year to work on it, (GSP/Penn/Karo/Hughes/Fitch/rematches/tuf challenge are all legit and soon to come) so I won't be losing any sleep over it.

[Kilroy]

WWs and LWs?

Come one, I think its great that the UFC is trying to get HW and LHW going again.

WW and LW is already stacked and there is SO much avaible talent...

Wow, Vera vs. Mir, just the kinda fight I was hoping for.

But, if fat Mir shows up, its gonna get ugly real quick, he doenst even need to gas...

[elgigante]

WAR VERA!

[Doctor]

vera vs mir just completely saved this card for me. i have a semi just thinking about mir getting his facial bones being caved in sometime late in the first round when fatboy starts wandering around and jiggling

[Hussar1]

WWs and LWs?

Come one, I think its great that the UFC is trying to get HW and LHW going again.

WW and LW is already stacked and there is SO much avaible talent...

Wow, Vera vs. Mir, just the kinda fight I was hoping for.

But, if fat Mir shows up, its gonna get ugly real quick, he doenst even need to gas...

Screw that.

UFC been trying to get HW going for over a year now, the hell with it to many fat no talent bums. Id rather see two unknown LWs going at it then Tim or Arlovski figthing ever agian.

[fightguy]

WAR VERA!
FUCK YEAH!

[Doktor Sharpness]

FUCK YEAH!


Big time. After he face fucks Mir, I hope they feed him PDP to deal with the little blood feud between his camp and Team Irvin, and then line him up for his shot at the top.

WAR VERA!!!!

[Kilroy]

Screw that.

UFC been trying to get HW going for over a year now, the hell with it to many fat no talent bums. Id rather see two unknown LWs going at it then Tim or Arlovski figthing ever agian.

So they should just drop the HW division instead of trying to get it back on track?
I disagree, especially with the amount of events they are putting on and the amount of money they are making...

[GNP]

Mir has become the stepping stone to Big Tim..... Looks like it's back to being a strip club bodyguard for Frank.

[VprinceL]

Healy--natural 155er (did they sign him and I missed it??)
Torres--is he still on the roster?
Morgan--somewhere between weghts, plus his last few have been outside the octagon, I think they just resigned him a bit ago...forgot about him though
Petz (hasn't fought yet in the UFC)


Healy, Morgan, Torres, and Petz are fighting on UFN on the 17th.
Torres vs Healy
Morgan vs Petz

[Z A C H E R]

man I wish I could watch teh Vera fight live!

[Whining Pussy]

man I wish I could watch teh Vera fight live!
why wouldn't you? i would be incredibly shocked if this weren't featured on the ppv.

Vera is gonna destroy Mir in every single way. i want leg-body-head kicks alternating and a grand finale of knees personally.

i'm also interested in a potential Vera vs Pe de Pano fight. i think it will be a much more competitive fight than Mir, who's basically come in here to die.

[Z A C H E R]

look at my location.

[Body_Shots]

This fight (Vera vs Mir) may not be going down @ UFC 62

[kcb]

Has Mir gotten word yet? I'm not sure that he has stepped away from a buffet table since his last fight.

[RampageOwnzAll]

Mir is going to get his face kicked in.

[Z A C H E R]

This fight (Vera vs Mir) may not be going down @ UFC 62

please explain

[Body_Shots]

please explain

Folks are saying that Either Vera is on his honey moon or is about to be on his honey moon, either way he's definetly not in training. If this is true than the fight will probably be on the UFC 63 or 64 card.

[dragomort]

Some are saying it's supposed to be 63, which would make that one helluva card. Poor Mir and fair-weather fans. I still hope he does well and gets motivated, but I can't see him winning this fight given the way he looked at the last one combined with how Vera has looked lately.

[Body_Shots]

Also the Vera x Mir fight would make 10 bouts for this PPV, which would be odd as hell. The card would look better if Fisher and Terrell had fought, but they're both out....so I guess it's back to hating UFC 62.

[Whining Pussy]

Some are saying it's supposed to be 63, which would make that one helluva card. Poor Mir and fair-weather fans. I still hope he does well and gets motivated, but I can't see him winning this fight given the way he looked at the last one combined with how Vera has looked lately.
no fairweather fan here. i've always thought Mir was immensly overrated.

[Kilroy]

Also the Vera x Mir fight would make 10 bouts for this PPV, which would be odd as hell. The card would look better if Fisher and Terrell had fought, but they're both out....so I guess it's back to hating UFC 62.

Damn... :(

And yeah, its back to being dissapointed in UFC 62, but, there is alot of fights that could be very entertaining at least...

And I am superstoked about Chuck vs. Babalu...

[VprinceL]

Mir vs Vera on UFC 62 says http://www.bettormma.com/site/index.php

[swope]

Mir vs Vera on UFC 62 says http://www.bettormma.com/site/index.php

wow.

way to go out in a blaze of glory and bone splinters, frank.

despite the fact that vera probably wont even be winded by the time he leaves mir face down, this fight will legitimize his title shot against sylvia, so im all for it.

[KawikaVeeka]

Folks are saying that Either Vera is on his honey moon or is about to be on his honey moon, either way he's definetly not in training. If this is true than the fight will probably be on the UFC 63 or 64 card.
Shit x100 (in frustration and anger)

[Tokyudo]

Mir vs Vera will NOT BE at UFC 62!

Edit:

There was a typo on his website. It is now listed for UFC 65.

Amazing how one little mess up can.....

[Kilroy]

Mir vs Vera will NOT BE at UFC 62!

Edit:

There was a typo on his website. It is now listed for UFC 65.

Amazing how one little mess up can.....

65!!!!!

God dammit, GOSH!

Not only is it not on the 62 card, but its many months away...

EDIT: Expect a sick card for 65 though...

[fightguy]

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!1

:mad:

[Kilroy]

http://62.ufc.com/

Looking at the videos, Chucks work on the focus mits does not look impressive... :)

[Bishop]

Fisher was suppose to be on this card? Somebody care to give me a little info on who he was suppose to fight. Any mention of Spencer Fisher has my attention, same with Jon Fitch

Wish Phillip Miller would have been on TUF 4 :(

[Kilroy]

http://62.ufc.com/

haha, Frank Mir gasses giving an interview... :)

WAR FAT MIR!!!

[Body_Shots]

Fisher was suppose to be on this card? Somebody care to give me a little info on who he was suppose to fight. Any mention of Spencer Fisher has my attention, same with Jon Fitch

Wish Phillip Miller would have been on TUF 4 :(

Fisher = Injured, Franca's taking his place.

[perchdogg]

After he face fucks Mir, I hope they feed him PDP to deal with the little blood feud between his camp and Team Irvin, and then line him up for his shot at the top.

what blood feud is this?

[jadizm]

Franca is a good replacement no doubt.

[dragomort]

what blood feud is this?

http://www.bloodyknux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19137

Read and enjoy, it's not long ;)

I hate bad reffing and judging :mad: That's half the reason why I'm (and everyone else anymore) not watching boxing.

[J. Walter Weatherman]

UFC 65? All of you better hope that Mir doesn't suddenly have a moment of clarity and actually get in shape for this one.

































hahaha, just kidding. That shit will never happen.

[Mia]

Fisher = Injured, Franca's taking his place.
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6007/picture648nk1.jpg

Great news!;)

[kcb]

What the fucking fuck shit douche in the night is this fucking cock shit ass fucking?

Vera vs. Mir would have definitely spruced this card up.

[my sex is artsy]

Well, at least this card doesn't have to worry about living up to standards.

[elbowsmash]

haha, just read this

ufc is cashing mir out

[Kilroy]

Final Card I guess...

-Chuck Liddell vs. Renato Sobral
-Forrest Griffin vs. Stephan Bonnar
-Josh Neer vs. Thiago Alves
-Hermes Franca vs. Jamie Varner
-Yushin Okami vs. Alan Belcher
-Rob MacDonald vs. Eric Schafer
-Wes Combs vs. Wilson Gouveia
-David Heath vs. Cory Walmsley
-Christian Wellisch vs. Cheick Kongo

Its not THAT bad, and alot of the undercard fights could at least be very entertaining...

-Chuck Liddell vs. Renato Sobral Great fight and excellent main event...

-Forrest Griffin vs. Stephan Bonnar Sure, their first fight was great the first time, the heart and will displayed by both fighters was amazing, but th esecond time I saw it I just saw a sloppy brawl.
Im pretty sure this fight will look very different though...

-Josh Neer vs. Thiago Alves Good.

-Hermes Franca vs. Jamie Varner WAR FRANCA!

-Yushin Okami vs. Alan Belcher To damn bad about Terrell, so war OKAMI!

-Rob MacDonald vs. Eric Schafer Macdonald, could he be a force?

-Wes Combs vs. Wilson Gouveia KO PLS!

-David Heath vs. Cory Walmsley Who?

-Christian Wellisch vs. Cheick Kongo WAR KONGO! or something...

I need myself some live MMA though, UFC 61 was very unsatisfying and Heroes 6 wasn't much better in that regard...

[Alfuh]

I need myself some live MMA though, UFC 61 was very unsatisfying and Heroes 6 wasn't much better in that regard...

You still have UFN the week before. This card looks craptastic on paper, which automagically means that it will deliver in spades. The laws of MMAos say it is so.