The Official Bloodyknux Contender thread

[Zeffryn]

The contender is a new reality show, premiering tonight on NBC (ch. 11). Hosted by Sylvester Stallone and Sugar Ray Leonard.

The show has gotten really good ratings so far and is expected to do as good, or better than TUF..probably because it is on a national major network.

Anyway...thoughts?

[elgigante]

It cant be any worse than that show De La Hoya put on last summer. I hope they dont try to capitalize on that suicide of one of their contenders for some ratings boost.

[Oliver Klosov]

It cant be any worse than that show De La Hoya put on last summer. I hope they dont try to capitalize on that suicide of one of their contenders for some ratings boost.

That's a tough situation to be in. Because if you just leave the guy in the show and don't mention his death, it is kinda irresponsible. But if you mention it many say you are trying to capitalize off of his death. Kinda between a rock and a hard spot.

Just gotta try and mention it in a tasteful manner and not over-do it and hope people don't make too bi a stink about it.

[Johnny Toetags]

It's on at 9:30 peoples...

[elgigante]

shit i gotta hurry up then. im still at my radio studio putting some commercials in.someone give the jist of the first episode if possible

[Johnny Toetags]

I will. I hope they don't use the suicide as a cheap ratings ploy.... AND I hope they don't pull an Oscar De La Hoya and move the show due to low ratings.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Fuuu-uuuck! I just let this sorry bitch go to lunch(who just got to work). I'm gonna miss it BUT not TUF so it's all good.

[Canario]

Their desperate attempt to make us cry in the opening minutes has somewhat turned me off.

[Johnny Toetags]

Their desperate attempt to make us cry in the opening minutes has somewhat turned me off.


good point, seeing Najai Turpin's family though, that cuts deep knowing what happens. Hmmm... let's see where they go from here. Got a decent looking buncha guys, familly men, yade yade ya...

[Johnny Toetags]

Fuck I hope Ol' Mush-Mouth's not the voice-over guy or I'm gonna miss alot of plot points.


"Deez saxtan guys 'ere were brouth 'ere tah fight... Yo, ADRIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Canario]

This show needs less family and more Leben

[Johnny Toetags]

They're doing a good job now that they're in the gym already. Some good guys in there, I think they're doing a better job so far of introducing everyone than TUF did off the bat.

[Johnny Toetags]

Okay - so now they're ripping off TUF's log stunt. Why can't these shows focus their stunts on they're god damn sports. Anyways, West team wons - but Ishe almost cost them, blowing his load early. If Akbar or Akhmed or whatever remembered his code East would've won by a long shot.

[CROKICK]

Ishe Smith should make it pretty far. He is a world class type of guy.

[Canario]

I stopped taking amateur boxing lessons because I just couldn't remember the damn combination to the locks.

[elgigante]

Manfredo is a winner regardless in my eyes for having a fine piece of ass to come home too. God damn that sista is fine as shit

[Dredd]

Beats me to the punch again. Your a quick thinker.

I'm stolked for this show, should be very good.

But I am also disappointed they moved Las Vegas tonight.

Oh well I guess I can survive.

[elgigante]

This Gomez kid is good

[elgigante]

Round 2 to Manfredo from what i saw

[Johnny Toetags]

Gomez wins this one, had a feeling and I was right, though initialy I thought it was gonna be a murder.

[Johnny Toetags]

Man, if anything this show illustrates where MMA and Boxing stand in the spotlight. I mean these production values, this budget and the quality of these guys... I'm impressed.

[elgigante]

Gomez looked very sharp. Like CROKICK said he could have a nice future. I didnt realize the advancement level of some of these cats. They are fighting for minor belts already

[CROKICK]

Gomez looked very good. Manfredo is a good fighter and had an off night. I liked Gomez' jab and toughness. He was landing alot of punches and absorbed alot without really getting hurt.

[Johnny Toetags]

Yeah, definatly pro's I mean they got there, made weight earlu, fought on what the second day, no drinking, little controversy (Though Ishe and what'shisface getting it on and stealing the spotlight at the press conference was iffy.)? Overall they came across as professionals as compared to the TUF crew.

[Dredd]

Spoilers1ban!!!!

[BADrew]

Manfrdo is generally considered the best prospect here in NE, but I've been talking up Jeff Fraza long before this show started. He is a very good puncher.

[Beorn O'Brophy]

I missed it, dammit.

Oh well, there will be reruns...

[elgigante]

Episode 2 on now

[elgigante]

I would enjoy seeing a bout between Ishe Smith and ahmed Khattour due to their personal tensions

[elgigante]

So it is Brinkley vs Reid. Im liking Johnathons chances

[Johnny Toetags]

Ishe is a fucking CHUMP, JR is a classy motherfucker despite the loss. And those edited fights piss me off, though I understand the need for em.

[IX Equilibrium]

Ishe Smith is a fucking COWARD BITCH. He talks so much shit to that Ahmed guy and when it came time for him to fight, he shut up and put his head down like the little cunt he is.

Props to Jesse for taking a fight where he wasn't confident in winning and pulling out the win afterall.

[elgigante]

Smith is a bitch. And great job by Brinkley winning over a good experinced fighter. Reid's only loss beforehand was against William Joppy

[Johnny Toetags]

Joppy? Really? Shit no shame there,

[Johnny Toetags]

Well another good episode featuring CLASS A Dodgeball...which was rockin'.


I was kinda hoping Ishe and Ahmed would pull a Rocky 2 style dual-KO... but no dice.

Overall Team West is looking very much like Team Liddell... hmmmm.... Team West vs. Team Liddell in half-and-half mma/boxing matches!!! Yeah!


then again, maybe not.

[Dredd]

War Ishe!!!!!

[Johnny Toetags]

Ummmmmm. No.

[elgigante]

So Johnny i hear Ishe won last night over Khaddour. Was it a good bout? I was on my way home from DC and missed the show

[Oliver Klosov]

Last night was the first episode I caught. After Watching for 30 seconds, I hated the Ahmed guy. I was then very disappointed that the don't show the entire fight, just put it together like Oscar's show.

[Johnny Toetags]

So Johnny i hear Ishe won last night over Khaddour. Was it a good bout? I was on my way home from DC and missed the show


It was okay, I though last week`s fight was better. Ahmed basically can bang it out and not much else. He pressured Ishe early and got it some mean body shots but once Ishe figured out all this kid could do is brawl he took it to him. Ahmed acted with little class throughout, Ishe just beat him to the punch consistently. I had it 4 rounds to 1 Ishe Smith.

Best part of the show was the Dodgeball challenge and the West Coast reward where they got macked out with suits and accesories.

Ishe's got no heart though. I mean in Episode 1 I figured he was the real deal. I assumed he was trying to get into Ahmed's head and succeeded but his wimping out turned the tables on him so I was thinking Ahmed would kill him. No dice. Both are probably the weakest guys in there, mentally. Ahmed sparred with Sugar a few rounds and was actually trying to tag him beleive it or not. No class I tells ya. Ray should popped him one.

[Johnny Toetags]

One thing's for sure... with Manfredo, Reid and Ahmed gone... the East team's in deep shit.

[Oliver Klosov]

. I had it 4 rounds to 1 Ishe Smith.

.
How can you score the fight without them showing the whole thing?

[Johnny Toetags]

How can you score the fight without them showing the whole thing?


that's true and I bitched about that already, I think it sucks ass but what're you gonna do. :( have to go with what they show us. (which is what they want I assume.)

[Oliver Klosov]

that's true and I bitched about that already, I think it sucks ass but what're you gonna do. :( have to go with what they show us. (which is what they want I assume.)

yeah, from what I saw I had it 3 - 1 - 1 for Ishe.

But this is the same thing they did on Oscar's show and they always tried to make the fight look even. Then they'd announce a run-away winner. It almost has me put off of this show already.

[Johnny Toetags]

yeah I lost track of Oscar's show when they messed with the time slot and change the network mid-season. The editing his bullshit, sure, but it makes things look better for the audience at large - which isn't us.

[Oliver Klosov]

yeah I lost track of Oscar's show when they messed with the time slot and change the network mid-season. The editing his bullshit, sure, but it makes things look better for the audience at large - which isn't us.

oh, I know, but it alienates his core - which is us.

[IX Equilibrium]

I was hoping Ishe would lose.

The shit he pulled last week was unforgivable. He started that war with Ahmed. Ahmed is a cocky prick, but he wouldn't have had to deal with Ahmed had he not started talking shit.

[Shaolin Bushido]

The contender is a new reality show, premiering tonight on NBC (ch. 11). Hosted by Sylvester Stallone and Sugar Ray Leonard.

The show has gotten really good ratings so far and is expected to do as good, or better than TUF..probably because it is on a national major network.

Anyway...thoughts?It doesn't matter that it's on one of the majors. If it doesn't generate ratings it will sink like a fukkin rock. I like it; its not quite a REAL fight but they only have an hour to show it along with developing the changing plotlines.

[elgigante]

this one is getting locked. nothing done wrong by anybody but we got an official thread for the show already. id just like it kept in one discussion.

[Johnny Toetags]

merge the threads.

[elgigante]

merge the threads.


oh yeah, i forgot about that. one moment

[natecrime]

I dont understand why people are hating on Ishe, from what I saw he basically took the advice from Foreman who said it was a individual contest and not a team game overall, because of this Ishe was suspicious about those who wanted him to fight so badly, implying that they wanted him to fight because it is a win-win situation for the rest of the team, if he wins he takes out an East side member, if he loses he is gone from the competition and they know he's strong so its a good thing for them. This was basically summed up in Foremans advice about you get personal after or something like that. Ishe is a clever chap, he knows whats going on, wouldnt say he was ducking, just my opinion.

[Shaolin Bushido]

I dont understand why people are hating on Ishe, from what I saw he basically took the advice from Foreman who said it was a individual contest and not a team game overall, because of this Ishe was suspicious about those who wanted him to fight so badly, implying that they wanted him to fight because it is a win-win situation for the rest of the team, if he wins he takes out an East side member, if he loses he is gone from the competition and they know he's strong so its a good thing for them. This was basically summed up in Foremans advice about you get personal after or something like that. Ishe is a clever chap, he knows whats going on, wouldnt say he was ducking, just my opinion.Well, it appeared that his nerve deserted him since he was talkin so much shit. Plus, he ended up picking him later than sooner. He even admitted that he wasn't thinking clearly and should have fought him the first time.

[BADrew]

Joppy? Really? Shit no shame there,
Well, if you're gonna be a top contender there is. I watched that fight on the undercard of Trinidad-Vargas I believe. Joppy was never that good, the best fighter he ever beat was a half-decent, blown-up jr middle in JC Green (who's best win was over Lonny Beasly himself). Joppy beat THE CRAP out of Reid easily and proved he wasn't going to be a championship calibar fighter.

[natecrime]

Well, it appeared that his nerve deserted him since he was talkin so much shit. Plus, he ended up picking him later than sooner. He even admitted that he wasn't thinking clearly and should have fought him the first time.

Your opinion means ten times what mine does.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Your opinion means ten times what mine does.No, everyone has their own opinion. I DO value mine more than yours but I'm surprised you agree with me.

I mean, do you even know of me?

[natecrime]

No, everyone has their own opinion. I DO value mine more than yours but I'm surprised you agree with me.

I mean, do you even know of me?

Only from your Sherdog status, just what you said made me think differently about my comment and I pretty much think that your correct with what you said.

[Johnny Toetags]

So the contender's on - and it's the episode where Mr. Suicide fights.


Watching this feels very creepy. Very creepy.

[Johnny Toetags]

...wow. I thought they handled that whole suicide thing brillianty. They didn't hype it with over dramatic music throughout, didn't forshadow it. Didn't even mention it was suicide. Sugar came on after the episode and said Najai had "passed away", and that the Contender had set up a trust fund for his family. Classy.

Trust fund info @

http://www.contender.yahoo.com

[Mold with a Generous Heart]

Can't believe P. Manfredo is back.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Najai was just a tough, tough kid who had problems; his decision to commit suicide could be due to a deficiency in his chemical or mental make-up but at any rate it's a tragedy when a young guy like that commits suicide.

RIP and prayers for his daughter.

[katarina]

CHRIST, AHMED IS GONE????? :(

I miss two episodes and all this shit happens.. Anyway, fuck Mandredo and fuck Ishe Smith. I think we all know who will be the last two standing now.

[Shaolin Bushido]

CHRIST, AHMED IS GONE????? :(

I miss two episodes and all this shit happens.. Anyway, fuck Mandredo and fuck Ishe Smith. I think we all know who will be the last two standing now.Unh-uh. Who do you think it will be?

[Johnny Toetags]

I think it's way too early to know who's gonna make it all the way, but if I had to bet - and its a long shot, I'd go with the guy who beat JR Reid. Whatshisface.

[katarina]

FUCK Peter Manfredo! War Ahmed!!!!!11111

[katarina]

Can we have a moment of silence for my fallen beloved?

[Shaolin Bushido]

Can we have a moment of silence for my fallen beloved?*sounds of a body being kicked violently, rapidly and by many antagonists heard*

[katarina]

War Ahmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shaolin Bushido]

War Ahmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hahaha, good luck to him in his career after The Contender.

[natecrime]

Hopefully he won't have a career after the Contender, arrogant twat.

[katarina]

Hopefully he won't have a career after the Contender, arrogant twat.

Your harsh words make Ahmed ponder..

[Johnny Toetags]

I gotta admit, Ahmed was kinda cute.













What? I ain't gay.

[katarina]

I gotta admit, Ahmed was kinda cute.


What? I ain't gay.

I even liked his high-pitched girlie voice.

[Johnny Toetags]

I even liked his high-pitched girlie voice.


I liked his snazzy outfits.

[katarina]

I liked his snazzy outfits.

Boy, me too! He was such a pimp. My favorite thing about Ahmed was how he didn't remember the combination to the padlock during the first group challenge and everyone was pissed at him. I was like, "You fools!!! He's too busy looking fooooine to remember some stupid numbers."

[natecrime]

Your harsh words make Ahmed ponder..

Shit, you have been keeping close tabs on this one lol

[katarina]

Here's some Ahmed for you boys to enjoy today.

[Dredd]

I said it once... and I'll say it again.

WAR ISHE!!!

[Oliver Klosov]

Close decision. Peter with the "W" thus saving my favorite person on the show - his daughter. She is adorable.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Ever since they changed the time and day it airs I keep missing it. So Manfredo won? Did he look good doing it? Who'd he beat? I got to the show as it was going off and Leonard, the ole guy and someone else were talking admiringly about Manfredo and I thought someone said they thought Ishe was ready to be taken out.

[Oliver Klosov]

He beat Miguel.

They were saying something about how now he's a better fighter than before he lost. Leonard said it was like after his first loss to Duran - he came back stronger.

Manfredo looked good in the first round, but in the second and third rounds he looked beat, like he was ready to pack it in, then turned it around and won the 4th and 5th rounds and looked strong doing it. 48 - 47 win.

[katarina]

I liked how everybody (especially Alfonso, the guy that beat Manfredo in the first episode) looked kind of disgusted that Peter whipped Miguel's ass towards the end. I think it was Jesse that said, "We let a lion back in" as it showed them all looking scared.

Idiots! They should have brought back Ahmed!!!

[Oliver Klosov]

Fuck Ahmed

[WrestlerV]

I just saw this show for the first time. I liked it, and I liked the story line. I have some problems though. First off, what the hell is up with the fight scenes. They look like a Rocky movie, with music, and sound effects. It makes it so cheap and corny. Also, they edit scenes in the fight, and it's really stupid looking. They try to make it seem so exciting, and it just makes the show look even cheaper. The show is way too hollywood.

[TylerHortonTakesmyHAYMAKER]

I just can't wait to see Jimmy Lang, huh tyler, go DC!

[WrestlerV]

Nice name!

[GuidedByVoices]

I'm getting pretty sick of the edited fights. They really need to have the whole fight available on the web or something. And the challenges are beyond ridiculous. And why didn't they vote Johnathan Reid back on the show, those guys from the west made a huge mistake. They got some descent fighters for this show, but I don't think even non-boxing fans are getting into this show. Hopefully it will get better as more guys get eliminated, I'll keep watching despite my reservations.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Well, there were more voters from the West's team but remember that the East fighters voted too! There are reasons both for and against bringing back each of the eliminated guys and there's very little chance of winning it all without beating worthy opposition.

"To be the man, you gotta beat the man". That's what this show is supposed to be about, imo.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Close decision. Peter with the "W" thus saving my favorite person on the show - his daughter. She is adorable.
Hahaha, she is adorable.

Y'know, I wonder if they offered a guy like Hector Camacho Jr. an opportunity to be on the show. I know he's had more than his fair opportunity already what with his famous dad and growing up around pros his whole life but I bet he'd make for good tv. His low self esteem has been his achilles heel though and it would have been emphasized to the point of embarassment with this show closely examining him. He barks alot and pretty loud but his actions more accurately reflect how he really feels.

I can hear his opponents now; "In the ring it's just ME and YOU. No one to help you now."

If he didn't turn it down from lack of confidence or apparent disdain he probably would've been hesitant, fearing that he may not get a fair shot because of Leonard's involvement and his dad beating him up in the twilight of his career, hehehe.

Anyone hear of any guys turning down an oppotunity to appear on the show? Does anyone think any of the guys could beat a Hector Camacho Jr.?

[Shaolin Bushido]

I like the little segments at the end of the shows too; seeing how much those guys put into their fights and how torn up they are is heart wrenching. They've all manned up too, handling it like men.

Even Ahmed, in his own way. It reminds guys who already knew it like most of you and shows the new boxing fans a side most of em never considered.

[Dredd]

Dirty move by Anthony to go behind everyone's backs and call out Brent, but he tore through him like shit. Seems as if Brent wasn't even fighting back.

[katarina]

I hate when they show the fighters crying at the end of the show. It tears me up inside.

[Dredd]

I hate when they show the fighters crying at the end of the show. It tears me up inside.

It is sad, but very good at the same time. Gives people more respect for the sport, show how tough, both physically and mentally boxing/combat sports are.

[Shaolin Bushido]

Dirty move by Anthony to go behind everyone's backs and call out Brent, but he tore through him like shit. Seems as if Brent wasn't even fighting back.Brent has lost and tied that perennial loser, Strickland. He wasn't all that, to begin with.

[Johnny Toetags]

Brent has lost and tied that perennial loser, Strickland. He wasn't all that, to begin with.

Good point. Still, number 1 daddt had some fire in his eyes last night.

[Kamehameha]

West has 7 left. East only has 3. WTF, how they gonna handle this? The only guy I wanna see fight is Juan, b/c frankly only he and the other guy (Manfredo hasn't impressed me) are the East's last hopes. But for them to go through 7 people is nigh impossible unless they put on amazing performances.

[Dredd]

Good point. Still, number 1 daddt had some fire in his eyes last night.

No shit, he just kept going and going, man's got the heart to win this.

[Shaolin Bushido]

West has 7 left. East only has 3. WTF, how they gonna handle this? The only guy I wanna see fight is Juan, b/c frankly only he and the other guy (Manfredo hasn't impressed me) are the East's last hopes. But for them to go through 7 people is nigh impossible unless they put on amazing performances.
In the next round I don't think they'll emphasize teams anymore. I don't see how they can. There'll be 8 left and guys will understandably be less likely to give a damn who anyone else wants them to fight. I guess the challenges will feature individual winners.

[katarina]

Maybe they'll pull a TUF and have some guys join the other team. That or they draw straws and start over from the beginning.

Anyone know anything on that really young kid that hasn't fought yet?

btw, Alfonso has been one of my faves since he whipped Peter's ass in the first episode.

[Dredd]

Maybe they'll pull a TUF and have some guys join the other team. That or they draw straws and start over from the beginning.

Anyone know anything on that really young kid that hasn't fought yet?

btw, Alfonso has been one of my faves since he whipped Peter's ass in the first episode.


Gomez, and Ishe are my favourite boxers on the show.

[Kamehameha]

Maybe they'll pull a TUF and have some guys join the other team. That or they draw straws and start over from the beginning.

Anyone know anything on that really young kid that hasn't fought yet?

btw, Alfonso has been one of my faves since he whipped Peter's ass in the first episode.

that young kid, Juan, has the best KO % of everyone. I think he's 12 W w/ 11 KO. I'm lookin forward to seeing him fight and hopefully continue to KO ways.

[katarina]

that young kid, Juan, has the best KO % of everyone. I think he's 12 W w/ 11 KO. I'm lookin forward to seeing him fight and hopefully continue to KO ways.

He just looks so small and young and innocent, compared to the rest of the guys.

What's the story with Brent and that #1 Daddy guy? I missed the build up to the fight, I just saw Brent get his country bumpkin butt whooped. Poor guy.

[ramelman]

what's been happening in the show is that both teams have been making secret agreements on who'll fight next, despite the outcome of the challenge. both teams agreed beforehand that anthony would fight this other guy (forgot his name). anthony said he wanted his team to win the challenge so that he could get a psychological edge calling out that guy. when they won, anthony called out brent instead, since brent was the smallest fighter there. the guy he was supposed to fight got pissed since he was training hard and preparing for the fight. anthony's teamates were pissed since they felt he used them. anthony says he's in the competition to win the money for his family. now a lot of his own teamates want to take him down.

i actually respect anthony for choosing his family over his teamates or his reputation. all these guys are playing the game stupid. when you win a challenge, you have the advantage. you should choose the weakest opponent to assure yourself of going to the next level, because you're in this to win the money for your family. picking the tougher opponent might make you look good, but it lessens the chances of securing the prize for your family. the best will eventually fight each other, anyway.

even leonard said that if he were in there, he'd be brutal and ko the guy.

i'm glad someone's actually playing the game to win, not just to look good.

i felt sad for brent, though. the world saw him at the lowest point. i hope he bounces back. :)

[Kamehameha]

He just looks so small and young and innocent, compared to the rest of the guys.

What's the story with Brent and that #1 Daddy guy? I missed the build up to the fight, I just saw Brent get his country bumpkin butt whooped. Poor guy.

which would make his victories even sweeter.

poor guy indeed. He doesn't even belong in a ring. Of course i can't make a complete assessment b/c of the stupid editing, but from what they showed, he has piss poor ability. Damn. Ugly, ugly right hands, moves straight back, slow, and scared. I wonder how he even got in the show.

[katarina]

I just read Brent's bio on the Contender page. For anyone in the area, his favorite salon is Illusions Hair Salon in Tennessee.

Also, if this thing about knowing who was going to fight who is true, why did Alfonso kick Manfredo's buttbutt in episode one? One would think that Peter would have been ready if it was already predetermined.

And btw, Manfredo beat Bonsante but Gomez beat Manfredo, therefore

Alfonso > Peter > Anthony.

Alfonso all the way, baby. I'd bet some anal on it.

[katarina]

Holy shit, you guys have to check out Alfonso's website. He does a recap of each of the episodes- he even commented on Bonsante:

To Tony: Tony, in a way I want to understand your decision. It is true that you feed your children and it should be your decision who you fight...but like I told you..."It was your attitude that I hated" We in the Final 8 and if we fight...you will not walk over me like you did with Brent. I promise.

Yay, Alfonso.

[Fighting_Irish1]

Man this show's pretty good just started watching it on monday me likey

[ramelman]

Also, if this thing about knowing who was going to fight who is true, why did Alfonso kick Manfredo's buttbutt in episode one? One would think that Peter would have been ready if it was already predetermined.

i think the secret agreements were made later into the competition. it was alfonso who set the trend of challenging the perceived better opponent. one thing good about challenging the better guy ... there's much less pressure; if you beat him, great ... if you don't, you looked good in taking on the best.

it's like an andre agassi thing. very early in his career, he was beating much higher ranked players easily, but when he fought guys who were supposedly not as good as him, he choked a lot. people handle pressure differently.

[GuidedByVoices]

I think Anthony did the smart thing by picking the guy he knew he could beat. Yeah, they're separated into teams now, but ultimately this is an individual competition. He was just looking out for #1 and it worked, he is in the final eight. And Alfonso is definitely my favorite right now.

[Kamehameha]

i actually think Ishe will take it all. He impressed me the most.

[Dredd]

i actually think Ishe will take it all. He impressed me the most.

WAR ISHE!!!

[Shaolin Bushido]

what's been happening in the show is that both teams have been making secret agreements on who'll fight next, despite the outcome of the challenge. both teams agreed beforehand that anthony would fight this other guy (forgot his name). anthony said he wanted his team to win the challenge so that he could get a psychological edge calling out that guy. when they won, anthony called out brent instead, since brent was the smallest fighter there. the guy he was supposed to fight got pissed since he was training hard and preparing for the fight. anthony's teamates were pissed since they felt he used them. anthony says he's in the competition to win the money for his family. now a lot of his own teamates want to take him down.

i actually respect anthony for choosing his family over his teamates or his reputation. all these guys are playing the game stupid. when you win a challenge, you have the advantage. you should choose the weakest opponent to assure yourself of going to the next level, because you're in this to win the money for your family. picking the tougher opponent might make you look good, but it lessens the chances of securing the prize for your family. the best will eventually fight each other, anyway.

even leonard said that if he were in there, he'd be brutal and ko the guy.

i'm glad someone's actually playing the game to win, not just to look good.

i felt sad for brent, though. the world saw him at the lowest point. i hope he bounces back. :)
Man, it'd be different if he EARNED that right to pick his opponent without being a lying coward and manipulating his so-called friends. The only reason he won the right was because they trusted and busted their asses for him.

He's a cunt and I doubt he'll be able to exploit anyone else on the entire show. He'll get his and I'm betting, sooner than later. He's 34 and I bet all the guppies are gone by the time the final 8 are determined. If there are any left the only way he can outrun, jump or outlift any of the remaining guys to win a challenge is ... if he cheats, which we all know he's not beyond.

I bet the tv crew doesn't even leave change around with him in the area.

[ramelman]

Man, it'd be different if he EARNED that right to pick his opponent without being a lying coward and manipulating his so-called friends. The only reason he won the right was because they trusted and busted their asses for him.

He's a cunt and I doubt he'll be able to exploit anyone else on the entire show. He'll get his and I'm betting, sooner than later. He's 34 and I bet all the guppies are gone by the time the final 8 are determined. If there are any left the only way he can outrun, jump or outlift any of the remaining guys to win a challenge is ... if he cheats, which we all know he's not beyond.

I bet the tv crew doesn't even leave change around with him in the area.

yeah, but like i posted on sherdog, he knew who he wanted to fight, and he knew who his teammates wanted him to fight. had he told them his intention, they probably would've thrown the challenge, as they were thinking of doing with sergio, who made it known that he didn't want to fight najai.

coward's a pretty harsh word for someone who boxes for a living, and supports his own family. it's a tough word for someone who chooses his family over his teammates, and even over his reputation. it's easy to do what everyone wants you to do; it's tougher to make the decision that will make you look bad all around the world. think about it. :)

[Shaolin Bushido]

yeah, but like i posted on sherdog, he knew who he wanted to fight, and he knew who his teammates wanted him to fight. had he told them his intention, they probably would've thrown the challenge, as they were thinking of doing with sergio, who made it known that he didn't want to fight najai.

coward's a pretty harsh word for someone who boxes for a living, and supports his own family. it's a tough word for someone who chooses his family over his teammates, and even over his reputation. it's easy to do what everyone wants you to do; it's tougher to make the decision that will make you look bad all around the world. think about it. :)Excuses are tools of incompetence. If he wanted to do something requireing guts and maintaining any semblance of respectability he would have told them up front. "They probably would have thrown the challenge". To speculate that they would have been as spineless as he was is quite a stretch to me. He's the only one who's demonstrated anything even resembling that up to this point. He fights; I work at a jail. I respect him for working but no more than I respect my male and female co-workers who risk themselves evry day as I do. As he's demonstrated, he certainly doesn't fight for my benefit or anyone else's except him and his kids. I work for me and mine.

I don't owe him anything especially in light of my honest comments to his shallow selfishness. His teammates don't respect him; why should I?

He doesn't care about being respected and behaves accordingly and I should respect him?

When his kids get older and understand how he behaved they'll still love him ...

... but they won't respect him either.

[katarina]

Who was Anthony supposed to fight? Did he not have enough confidence in his ability as a boxer to take that guy on?

[Optimus Van Optimum]

I think it is going to come down to Joey and Ishe.

[GuidedByVoices]

Who was Anthony supposed to fight? Did he not have enough confidence in his ability as a boxer to take that guy on?

I forget the name of the guy he was supposed to fight. The NBC website has a nice recap of all the episodes, with pictures, here:

www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Contender/

[ramelman]

Excuses are tools of incompetence. If he wanted to do something requireing guts and maintaining any semblance of respectability he would have told them up front. "They probably would have thrown the challenge". To speculate that they would have been as spineless as he was is quite a stretch to me. He's the only one who's demonstrated anything even resembling that up to this point. He fights; I work at a jail. I respect him for working but no more than I respect my male and female co-workers who risk themselves evry day as I do. As he's demonstrated, he certainly doesn't fight for my benefit or anyone else's except him and his kids. I work for me and mine.

I don't owe him anything especially in light of my honest comments to his shallow selfishness. His teammates don't respect him; why should I?

He doesn't care about being respected and behaves accordingly and I should respect him?

When his kids get older and understand how he behaved they'll still love him ...

... but they won't respect him either.

actually, if you've read alfonso's blog, they were really considering throwing the challenge in the sergio episode; in fact, they told the east they would, then decided not to, but were beaten, so it's NOT a stretch at all.

you're entitled to your opinion, and i'm entitled to mine. i think choosing your family over your teammates, and even over your perceived reputation is the more honorable and brave thing to do.

also, they're all in there to win. don't let this team thing fool you.

one other possible reason his "other" opponent was pissed was that anthony was one of the weakest (if not the weakest) guys left in the west, and his opponent would've been the favourite to beat him. now that guy might even have to face tarric (who's been ranked #4 once), or someone easily better than anthony.

anthony doesn't care what his teammates think about him; he cares more for his family. if his kids share your view, maybe they'll disrespect him, but i doubt it. fathers have to make tough decisions. it's easy to call someone out, like isshe did again, as long as it isn't you.

peace. :)

[Bishop]

i've only seen one episode and it was the sergio/najai episode. my work conflicts with the time of the show and I forget about the replay

starting next week, i'll get into this show

[natecrime]

Anthony made the right decision, he just went the wrong way about it, his teammates have everyright to be pissed at him in the short term but in the long term they should try and respect his decision, i'm suprised that he is not left with at least one ally who supported what he did on the show.

[katarina]

They should drop this whole East/West thing and then have someone really whoop Anthony's ass, good and hard. And his kids should be forced to sit ringside and watch it. I nominate Ishe or Alfonso to do it.

Any word on who's up tonight?

[ramelman]

i don't think alfonso would get the job done against anthony; he, too, is a bit on the small side. nerves played a big factor in his win against peter, but anthony looked far from nervous. and although isshe is really talented, i'm not still not sold; his nerves got to him in the early part of his fight with ahmed. i think he can be taken early in a fight.

i could see sergio outpointing him, but the only guy who looks strong enough to really hurt him so far is peter.

[natecrime]

The only reason he wasn't nervous because he had been planning for this fight all along knowing that his opponent had been planning for a differnet fighter Obviously this is going to increase his confidence. The question is whether or not his confidence would still exist if he had lost the challenge and been called out by his agreed opponent.

[Maz_Boxe]

he took a fucking beating.

i have a problem with this show, why dont they show the whole fight? i dont wana see stallones expressions every 20 seconds. or his fucking girlfriend in the crowd, i want to watch the fucking fight

[Kamehameha]

damn, that was the best fight so far. Juan, although very raw, has great spirit and youthful aggression. Even though i highly doubt he'll win it all, he'll hold his own for a while. I was impressed.

[katarina]

Juan looks like a killer even though he threw too many wild punches. It's crazy that he's barely 18 and went in there and held his own with a veteran. It'd be a great story for him to win it all.

And screw Bonsante. "I want to give these to Brent Cooper".. blah blah pffft, motherfucker.

[katarina]

Unh-uh. Who do you think it will be?


Regarding the final two: either Alfonso or Ishe or Ishe and Peter.

I've given up hope that they'll let my Ahmed come back.

[Necron Eloheim]

Which episode has it got to in the US? In the UK, they are showing episode 5 tonight.

[BADrew]

They just showed episode 7 last night.

[BADrew]

Alfonso > Peter > Anthony.

Alfonso all the way, baby. I'd bet some anal on it.

The A beat B and B beat C so A will beat C argument has been disproven a million times in boxing. Most recently by Barerra, Pac, and Morales.

[ramelman]

aaarrrggghhh ... the cable been down .. no tv. missed the fight. hopefully, they'll show a replay tomorrow. i assume juan beat tarrick? was it close?

[katarina]

aaarrrggghhh ... the cable been down .. no tv. missed the fight. hopefully, they'll show a replay tomorrow. i assume juan beat tarrick? was it close?

Well, it was unanimous in favor of Juan.. even though he was pretty sloppy throughout the fight, especially in the first round. I thought Tarick might get his legs back under him, but he never did. And everyone attributed the win to Tarick being so rusty as opposed to Juan actually being any good.

Juan will definitely have the most to prove right now, especially after that fight. At the end of the show they showed the little pow-wow between Sly and the trainers and they all agreed that Juan is pretty lucky that he wasn't fighting the Tarick from two years ago and that he probably isn't as good as they all think he is. That being said, Juan should make it at least to the top 3.

BTW, you can watch the fights at the Contender site.

[Dredd]

Juan is also barely 18 here guys. He has ALOT of room to grow as a fighter.

[katarina]

I just watched the Smith/Kaddour fight. It's like 4 times as long as the fight that they air during the show. Of course it's not as glitzed up and glamourized but it is more raw and real. Good stuff.

And I swear to God that theme gets me everytime they start playing it towards the end of the fight. Manfredo/Gomez is up next for me.

[Kamehameha]

Well, it was unanimous in favor of Juan.. even though he was pretty sloppy throughout the fight, especially in the first round. I thought Tarick might get his legs back under him, but he never did. And everyone attributed the win to Tarick being so rusty as opposed to Juan actually being any good.

Juan will definitely have the most to prove right now, especially after that fight. At the end of the show they showed the little pow-wow between Sly and the trainers and they all agreed that Juan is pretty lucky that he wasn't fighting the Tarick from two years ago and that he probably isn't as good as they all think he is. That being said, Juan should make it at least to the top 3.

BTW, you can watch the fights at the Contender site.

yeah, i heard more "well if Tarick wasn't old and rust and blahahblah" than "wow, Juan is actually damn good!". But that's how it is though. And watching the fights online is teh way to go. Makes up for the way they mess it up on TV.

[ramelman]

Well, it was unanimous in favor of Juan.. even though he was pretty sloppy throughout the fight, especially in the first round. I thought Tarick might get his legs back under him, but he never did. And everyone attributed the win to Tarick being so rusty as opposed to Juan actually being any good.

Juan will definitely have the most to prove right now, especially after that fight. At the end of the show they showed the little pow-wow between Sly and the trainers and they all agreed that Juan is pretty lucky that he wasn't fighting the Tarick from two years ago and that he probably isn't as good as they all think he is. That being said, Juan should make it at least to the top 3.

BTW, you can watch the fights at the Contender site.

thanks! :)

i watched it from the site, then i was able to catch the last 3 rounds during the replay on tv. tarrick looked like he had some good skills, but he gassed pretty fast. i guess the layoff and the age did hurt him a lot. i thought he hurt juan a couple of times, despite being tired.

what's cool, though, is how he took the loss; all class. he didn't berate his opponent, he wasn't down on himself, he was grateful for the opportunity. his age and experience in life probably gives him really good perspective. :)

[Shaolin Bushido]

Even though I'm fairly certain they are "suggesting" to the fighters to not act like a bitch and whine in their postfight goodbyes when they lose, it is still very refreshing to actually view modern fighters carrying themselves with class despite just experiencing the biggest disappointment any of us could feel in losing a shot at a million bucks.

If anyone will fuck up the track record, it will be Ishe if he loses. He ain't quite the confident rock that some of the guys are and his character is kinda shaky too. He will be the one to dispute a decision or blame something else on a loss if it happens at all.

Course ... he's a boxing fool and less likely to have to worry about losing than most.

[ramelman]

Even though I'm fairly certain they are "suggesting" to the fighters to not act like a bitch and whine in their postfight goodbyes when they lose, it is still very refreshing to actually view modern fighters carrying themselves with class despite just experiencing the biggest disappointment any of us could feel in losing a shot at a million bucks.

If anyone will fuck up the track record, it will be Ishe if he loses. He ain't quite the confident rock that some of the guys are and his character is kinda shaky too. He will be the one to dispute a decision or blame something else on a loss if it happens at all.

Course ... he's a boxing fool and less likely to have to worry about losing than most.

yeah, man, i agree with you. isshe's been wavering ... first, tough trash talker, then doesn't want to be pressured by his teammates, then all humble and willing to fight to do the right thing, then disrespecting anthony and calling him out. he needs to be better grounded, but i guess for most people that comes with age. he's still a pretty young and has a lot to learn.

[katarina]

Holy cow, was that Ahmed????

[Optimus Van Optimum]

Joey is the man to beat at this point. With his new found confidence I don't see anybody taking him. He was one of the only fighters that used a jab which looked pretty good. His stamina is crazy! It took an amazing amount of heart to do what he did in the 4th round. Joey all the way!

[elgigante]

Ishe Smith vs Sergio Moya tonight. Should be good

[elgigante]

Ishe works the body very well

[Johnny Toetags]

wtf was with the shit ass Sugar Ray dubbed voice-overs? He swear like a sailor or what?

[Alf]

Ishe Smith vs Sergio Moya tonight. Should be good
nevermind. I agree Ishe works the body nicely.

[Alf]

damn I just watched the ahmed fight. Alfonso ain't nothing nice, did you see when ahmed raised his glove and he went after him, that was kinda funny.

[IX Equilibrium]

2 good fights.

I'm glad Ishe got beat. Fuck him.

Also, Gomez is the man.

[Kamehameha]

sergio looked like shit against najai, and then comes in and frustrates Ishe. It was a close fight though, the last round could of went to anyone b/c the editing is deceptive. Toe to toe in the last round. Sergio just better pray he doesn't face a heavy hitter w/ accuracy, he'll be put to sleep. Ishe hit him plenty but couldn't hurt him. He was impressive though, unlike vs. Najai.

and that part when sergio was going over that book dealing w/ the mind games was pretty cool. i need to pick that book up sometime.

[Dredd]

I'm a bit disappointed Ishe lost, but I don't really know what to say from the highlighted fights.

Alfonzo has got some damn heart. Wow.




I also want to pick that book up. Who was it written by again?

[ramelman]

these past 2 weeks of contender have been the best.

tarrick vs. juan - tarrick was obviously the better boxer, but he didn't have his legs under him; too much ring rust after about 3 years of inactivity. good win for the kid, but tarrick taught him he has a long way to go. juan admitted that his injuries came at the right time, since he knew he wouldn't be able to win the event. he was able to get out without a pro loss, and with some very good experience to boot.

joey vs. jimmy - joey forced jimmy to respect him because of his power and unrelenting attack. he showed tons of heart when he beat him with the hurt leg (but after the latest episode, i'm starting to wonder about the hurt leg ....).

sergio vs isshe - i've actually never been that impressed with isshe; i always thought he fights a bit too cautious at the start. as i've mentioned in another board, the boxer who impressed me most with his skill and style was sergio, as he fought najai. i always felt skillwise, sergio was better than isshe, but sergio can be hurt, and isshe hits harder. i was rooting for sergio, and i knew isshe could hurt him, but i wasn't surprised that he won. sergio is a lot like alfonso, in that when he gets in the ring, he's very calm and comfortable, even when he's on the receiving end. he's very poised under pressure. and like alfonso, he uses his brains a lot in the ring, whether through strategy, psyche-outs, or even just not showing that he was hurt.

i disagree with you, kamehameha, in that i thought sergio looked good against najai. stylewise, najai was tough for him, as he crowds him and forces him to fight inside and negate his reach advantages. but when he was on the ropes against najai, he was able to slip/block/deflect a lot of najai's shots, and was very composed. in the end, it was he who was inviting najai to come in and get him, as he did with isshe.

very versatile, very smart fighter. his weakness is that he can be hurt to the body. but he has a lot of brains and heart.

alfonso vs. ahmed - great fight. i picked ahmed for this, and i was wrong. alfonso showed his composure and heart even when he was hurt. i think what ahmed needs is a better support structure, as well as a smart, experienced trainer to teach him how to use his abilities properly. he looked pretty nice and naive throughout this whole episode, and it also reflected in how he fought.

they always portrayed joey as this nice, simple-minded kid. now we know he actually manipulates, hehehe. impressive that sergio not only picked up on this, but actually already read the book that joey mentioned in conversation. not only that, he knows the book well, having highlighted portions of it.

funny how the contender shows ahmed to be the bad guy and isshe the nice guy, then later, they switch it up. also funny how "teammates" can easily switch on you, as alfonso had with isshe.

like is said early on, this is NOT a team competition, and i'm glad they're finally seeing it that way. they're playing the game smarter now. joey's been playing everybody. jesse confronts isshe, yet chooses sergio to fight him. peter's too nice ... he couldn't pick joey because of the car, nor anthony, because of the injury. now maybe those who were critical of anthony's decision would have a better view of him, seeing how much he'd do to win for his family ... easily more than juan, who had so much less of an injury.

the challenges are better now, as everyone is a target, no "agreed upon" opponents. this can only get better. i can't wait. :)

[Kamehameha]

i got a kick outta that "Sherlock Sergio" part, where he was explaining Joey's web of deception and strategy. The book by the way is the 48 Laws of Power, forgot the author though. I'm already quite a cerebral person when it comes to dealing w/ people, so this book should be right down by alley.

[natecrime]

meh, if you need a book to work it out then you are already at a major disadvantage.

[Kamehameha]

meh, if you need a book to work it out then you are already at a major disadvantage.

no one reads teh book and uses it like a Bible, man (only a very few do). Especially if they're already clever and sneaky. The same thing goes for books like the Art of War and such, it's a reaffirmation of stuff we already know and reveals a little we don't. Oh i bet u get conned all the time huh? :D

[Optimus Van Optimum]

I have the results on how the Contender ends. Yes, the results of the season finally and what fights lead up to it. If you want to know PM me.

[natecrime]

OvO, that's really tempting, i'll probably end up PM'in you when drunk and wanting to know. Don't tell me!

[Bishop]

i haven't really been keeping up with the show, but Peter has been my pick for a while and he's still around. I think he'll get into the semi-finals and if he fights Sergio, I think he could get to the finals

[elgigante]

I have the results on how the Contender ends. Yes, the results of the season finally and what fights lead up to it. If you want to know PM me.


how? the finals are live from Cesars Palace on May 24th. Matter of fact the tickets sold out in 5 minutes. heres the link


http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6201

[Kamehameha]

it would be incredibly stupid if it was only 5 rds and edited to hell like the rest of the fights...............but they can't be that moronic, can they???

[Optimus Van Optimum]

how? the finals are live from Cesars Palace on May 24th. Matter of fact the tickets sold out in 5 minutes. heres the link


http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6201

I mean I have who is in the finals and what fights led up to it.

[ramelman]

don't say anything that'll give it away, man. :)

i'm hoping sergio's in the finals.

since alfonso and sergio are in the next round, i'm thinking peter and jesse will advance, unless someone forces them to fight each other. jesse probably wouldn't be able to advance to the finals, as he looks like the weakest of the 4, so the 2 slots are for peter, alfonso, or sergio. that's my guess.

i'm rooting for sergio to win it all.

[IX Equilibrium]

Joey did a nice job stepping it up against Manfredo. Tough break getting a headbutt and losing a split decision.

But I guess its good that Manfredo got the decision, because Joey wouldn't have able to continue anyway with that cut and a broken rib.

[Kamehameha]

Manfredo has the gas mileage of a Hummer (unfortunately w/o the power). He was tired by rd 3. Joey had me laughing w/ his love taps aka punches, total arm punches w/ almost no hip and leg generation whatsoever. But he had heart though, no question. But how did that quote go from Million $$$ Baby? "Show me a guy w/ nothing but heart and i'll show u someone who's beaten and bloody......" something like that. rang true w/ Joey the Weasel.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

oh yeah I'm 100% right!

[Shaolin Bushido]

Damn, did you see that fuckin cut? His mother had a look of horror on her face when she saw it AND when his dad said, later in the locker room, "He doesn't need a stretcher!"

I bet she cursed him out later.

[Bishop]

Peter was on the local radio station, Star 101.9, this morning.

He was saying that there are 5 boxers left (yes, we know) and if he wins the $1,000,000, he's going to buy a dream house for his wife and child to live in (with another child on the way), and put the rest into his childrens college fund.

there will be additional matches during the finals, similar to the Ultimate Fighters dark matches. but, the fans will get to vote who will be brought back to fight and who will fight who. he said he hopes Jeff gets to come back and fight because he didn't fight on the show

I tried calling in, but it was busy. I wanted to let him know that I've been rooting for him since I first started watching the show and to wish him luck. but, it was too quick of a segment that no calls were taken....Hudson and Scotty B were b!tche$

[Johnny Toetags]

cool, thanks bish.

[Johnny Toetags]

Man I hope Jesse kills this whiny ass melodramatic white trash #1 dad pussy...


ungh!!!



Where's all teh contendah posters eh?

fuckers.

[Dredd]

Man I hope Jesse kills this whiny ass melodramatic white trash #1 dad pussy...


ungh!!!



Where's all teh contendah posters eh?

fuckers.

And Jesse kills the whiny guy. What a KO.

[Johnny Toetags]

Yeah, it originally looked like a close bout - I'm assuming it was the editing job - but looking back Jesse was sizing him up the whole time... best ending so far.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

Man I hope Jesse kills this whiny ass melodramatic white trash #1 dad pussy...


ungh!!!



Where's all teh contendah posters eh?

fuckers.

What is whiny and melodramatic about wanting to provide for his children??

[Optimus Van Optimum]

Yeah, it originally looked like a close bout - I'm assuming it was the editing job - but looking back Jesse was sizing him up the whole time... best ending so far.

Sizing hime up, what pile of horse shit did you pull that out of??? Jesse was getting tooled the entire fight. Jesse's corner told him in between each round to hit the uppercut which he didn't do until the 5th. Jesse got lucky..plain and simple.

[Johnny Toetags]

Sizing hime up, what pile of horse shit did you pull that out of??? Jesse was getting tooled the entire fight. Jesse's corner told him in between each round to hit the uppercut which he didn't do until the 5th. Jesse got lucky..plain and simple.


Kinda hard to tell which is which, truth be told - with the way they were editing. I remember seeing Jesses get rocked around the ring but he never looked worried, so that and his post fight comments tend to make me beleive he felt he was in good position to win.

As far as my comments about Captain Annoying, I stand by them. Using your kids as a crutch tends to irk me, but that's just me. I thought Jesse had a good point about Anthony's mixed signals, i.e. not wanting to spot him the weight BUT saying he'd use him as a punching bag. If that was the case what would the half pound has changed?

[Johnny Toetags]

btw - there's no such thing as a "lucky punch."

[kcb]

I watched Contender for the first time last night and wasn't too impressed. Maybe I'm just spoiled by the unedited fights in TUF, but I just didn't like it too much.

Nice uppercut, though.

[Johnny Toetags]

Yeah the editing sucks big time, I think for us fight fans it actually does the inverse of what they were trying to do, namely - heighten ze drama.

[kcb]

The lamest part was where the loser raised his kids' hand in victory and walked them around the ring. What the hell is that? Is the show filled with a bunch of Diegos or what?

[Johnny Toetags]

yeah that fucker is like, the worst dad EVA.



I bet he touches his kids.

[kcb]

I can't wait until TUF 2 starts. I hear it's coming on in August or something.

[Bishop]

too many words on this page....who's the last to get into the semi's?

[Kamehameha]

Shit, i missed yesterday's episode. So Jesse won huh? I say Sergio wins it all. Alfonso is too much of a "dumb" fighter (as in he walks straight in and has almost no defense) and Peter the Hummah will get schooled. Sergio is too slick and technical to be beat by the other fighters. He'll use Alfonso for target practice and dance around Peter. It won't be a walk in the park but I really doubt seeing him lose. Not that I like him the most, as I'd personally like to see Peter win, but as far as fighters go, he's the best one. I'm thinking Sergio vs. Alfonso or Sergio vs. Peter in the final.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

Kinda hard to tell which is which, truth be told - with the way they were editing. I remember seeing Jesses get rocked around the ring but he never looked worried, so that and his post fight comments tend to make me beleive he felt he was in good position to win.

As far as my comments about Captain Annoying, I stand by them. Using your kids as a crutch tends to irk me, but that's just me. I thought Jesse had a good point about Anthony's mixed signals, i.e. not wanting to spot him the weight BUT saying he'd use him as a punching bag. If that was the case what would the half pound has changed?

Part of being a pro is not losing your head even when you're getting beat. The look on Jesse's face between rounds was that of a man that was losing. Jesse was out boxed, Anthony made a mistake, and Jesse took advantage of it. So yes you are correct it was not a lucky punch.

He was using his kids for motivation not a crutch. You obviously don't have kids so you can't relate. I have two and will tell you my kids are my motivation.

As far as the 1/2 pound they made an agreement. It was not Anthony's fault that Jesse put off losing weight till the last few days. Too fucking bad for him, next time be prepared. I understand what you are saying but an agreement is an agreement.

[natecrime]

+1 for number one dad, thought he had what it took to win the thing. Much respect in my opinion for fighting hard for his kids, win or lose.

[Dredd]

Jesse wasn't worried the entire fight. Look at his facial expressions after being hit, or between rounds. I think the editing helped make it look like he was getting dominated, sure he was being beat but I doubt that bad.

[natecrime]

Watch the whole fight at the Contender website then see where it's at.

[Dredd]

I did not know they had the whole fight on there.

I'll be back.

[ramelman]

anthony can blame his corner for the stupidest, stupidest, stupidest advice ever. the minute the corner said to put on more pressure in the final round, when he already had 3 in the bag .... stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. the advice to win should've been to COAST, keep yourself safe, give away the round, but win the fight. there's NO REASON for the corner to say to put on more pressure. at worst, the corner could've said to fight conservative, as he's won the fight. he's fighting to win, to win $ 1 million, NOT to put on a good show for the crowd, or the contender ratings. stupid, stupid, stupid advice by the corner. in this case, it's really the corner that made the fighter lose a fight he already won in the earlier rounds. stupid.

btw, sorry for all the "stupid" comments; i'm sure a whole lot of you feel the same way about the "expert" advice given. :D

[Optimus Van Optimum]

anthony can blame his corner for the stupidest, stupidest, stupidest advice ever. the minute the corner said to put on more pressure in the final round, when he already had 3 in the bag .... stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid. the advice to win should've been to COAST, keep yourself safe, give away the round, but win the fight. there's NO REASON for the corner to say to put on more pressure. at worst, the corner could've said to fight conservative, as he's won the fight. he's fighting to win, to win $ 1 million, NOT to put on a good show for the crowd, or the contender ratings. stupid, stupid, stupid advice by the corner. in this case, it's really the corner that made the fighter lose a fight he already won in the earlier rounds. stupid.

btw, sorry for all the "stupid" comments; i'm sure a whole lot of you feel the same way about the "expert" advice given. :D

I agree. I think the fighters and staff forgot that this was a competition and winning was not based on one fight. Nobody seemed to have a strategy.

[natecrime]

So was Anthony KO'ed by Jesse in the final round?

[Optimus Van Optimum]

So was Anthony KO'ed by Jesse in the final round?

Yup, with 31 seconds left in the round. Anthony should've sat back and jabbed his way to the semi-finals but no he listened to his corner.

[natecrime]

Yup, with 31 seconds left in the round. Anthony should've sat back and jabbed his way to the semi-finals but no he listened to his corner.

Cheers ovo, we are a couple of episodes behind you here in the UK and I am too impatient. How was he after the loss?

[griffdog]

In my opinion, having your kids present at ANY boxing match when they are young is idiotic and reeks of white trash. Having your kids present at a boxing match where you get KTFO'd suggests that you either hate your kids or are just reallly, reallly stupid.

He must have been so proud watching his daughters reactions on tv. From the "KILL HIM" shrieks to the horrified crying when he was twitching on the canvas, I'm sure it will be a golden moment of her youth.

[Oliver Klosov]

that uppercut was cash money.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

Cheers ovo, we are a couple of episodes behind you here in the UK and I am too impatient. How was he after the loss?

Very emotional. He was sitting in his corner screaming NO!!! I feel bad for the dudes that lose and have a family to support. I can relate.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

In my opinion, having your kids present at ANY boxing match when they are young is idiotic and reeks of white trash. Having your kids present at a boxing match where you get KTFO'd suggests that you either hate your kids or are just reallly, reallly stupid.

He must have been so proud watching his daughters reactions on tv. From the "KILL HIM" shrieks to the horrified crying when he was twitching on the canvas, I'm sure it will be a golden moment of her youth.

or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about?

[Bishop]

I feel bad for the dudes that lose and have a family to support. I can relate.
you lost?

[griffdog]

or maybe you have no idea what you are talking about?


Oh, my bad.

Here I was thinking that small children shouldn't watch their father get mauled. You must be (or will be) a stellar father. What's next on the agenda, Bring your child to work day at the slaughterhouse? Field trip to the burn unit?

[Optimus Van Optimum]

you lost?

No

[Necron Eloheim]

yeah that fucker is like, the worst dad EVA.



I bet he touches his kids. In a Michael Jackson sort of way. I've just seen the episode where Babyface gets mauled by Gomez, so I guess this KO is coming next week.

[Bishop]

alfonso vs. peter is about to go down for me (hawaii time). 20 minutes til I find out who's the first to be in the finals

pretty exciting

::giggle::

[Bishop]

very very good fight between Peter and Fonzo. Peter seemed to take in-between rounds off in this fight. he was up 29-28 after 3, but he seemed to have gassed and Fonzo took the fight over and took a 48-47 lead after 5. but Peter really turned it on and landed the key shots to give him the slight momentum and time to rain the punches to win out the final 2 rounds.

just sucks that Fonzo who's gone through the TOP fighters of the show to go down in the final 4....if he wasn't, I would have rooted for him

I've been behind Peter since I started watching this show and it's great that he's in the finals and heading to Vegas for $1,000,000

[Dredd]

I didn't get to watch it.

Or family guy.

FUCKING SURVIVOR FINALE!!!

[Bishop]

my time zone > your time zone

family guy comes on in an hour :)

[Dredd]

my time zone > your time zone

family guy comes on in an hour :)

I expect updates, funny parts. Lines peter says, and a full list of funny flash backs on my desk by tommorow.


So it was a good fight? I'm sure it will be airing for me sometime this week, but I guess that leaves the Latin Snake and Brinkley to fight.

Fuckin' go Jesse.

[Bishop]

I just feel like the smartest man alive, just for tonight. people had peter written off and it seemed like I was his only supporter. now knowing he was on a local radio station a little over a week ago, it only made sense that he was on the show. he gave away the slightest spoiler about "making the big bucks" and I didn't catch on. now he wins tonight and all the pieces fit in the puzzle

as for next week, tough fight to call. Sergio controls fights while Jesse seems to go for broke. they both deserve to be here and after seeing them tonight sitting by one another and calling the fight and being cool with one another; that's going to kinda hinder them mentally. they just seemed so damn cool with each other like they've been friends their entire life

[Optimus Van Optimum]

Mang, Alfonso's face was beaten. It looked like his jaw was broken or something was really messed up. Much respect to him, he fought like a warrior.

Bishop - I know who wins next week if you are interested.

[OneFate]

WOW! I never knew there was a contender thread here ...BTW bishop I was going for Peter. I think his problem is when he gets tierd his defence is open. I pick him to win it all!

The Latin snake is like a survivor to me. He does enough to slip and out work who he's fighting. He'll beat Jesse. Jesse's lucky he had the open target in Anthony. The upper cut was there all night.


New England!!!!!! They do edit the fights to much..I hate it.

[natecrime]

WOW! I never knew there was a contender thread here ...BTW bishop I was going for Peter. I think his problem is when he gets tierd his defence is open. I pick him to win it all!

The Latin snake is like a survivor to me. He does enough to slip and out work who he's fighting. He'll beat Jesse. Jesse's lucky he had the open target in Anthony. The upper cut was there all night.


New England!!!!!! They do edit the fights to much..I hate it.

+1 for Jesse not making the finals, Sergio has grown on me alot and after he sent Ishe home, I think he definately deserves some of the glory.

By the way, what is the prize for the runner up?

[OneFate]

I think Sergio has a good chance to win , I bet the odds are in his corner. I just have to go with my fellow east coast fighter....

Anyone else ever notice Jesse is always laying in bed?

[IX Equilibrium]

I am suprised Manfredo beat Gomez. I didn't think Manfredo had the stamina to hang with Gomez efficiently for the entirety of the fight. But shit, he caught Gomez with some good shots.

Anyway, Gomez is a good guy. Props to him.

[ramelman]

i was glad that it was peter who fought alfonso, and not sergio, as i wanted sergio to be in the finals, and alfonso is tough as nails. i think jesse is the weakest of the 4, so whoever fights him should beat him, and so maybe sergio will go to the finals. :)

i'm also glad peter beat alfonso, only because peter looks like too nice a guy. i like to see good things happen to kind people like him, so it's good that he gave a much better performance this time.

if jesse beats sergio, i'd root for peter in the finals. i really feel anthony's corner cost him the match. if sergio makes it, then i'll see 2 contenders in the finals who i both want to win. :)

i think sergio has the most skills, but he has no power, and though he can take a punch, he gets hurt in the body. peter lacks stamina and is not a very cerebral fighter, but he can throw some vicious punches. should be a great final. :)

[Optimus Van Optimum]

+1 for Jesse not making the finals, Sergio has grown on me alot and after he sent Ishe home, I think he definately deserves some of the glory.

By the way, what is the prize for the runner up?

A ticket home and a knob job by the PR lady.

[natecrime]

A ticket home and a knob job by the PR lady.

I hope the PR lady isn't that wrinkly Jackie.

[Optimus Van Optimum]

I hope the PR lady isn't that wrinkly Jackie.

Yeah but I'm sure she give good head. The ugly ones usually do.....so I've heard.

[natecrime]

Yeah but I'm sure she give good head. The ugly ones usually do.....so I've heard.

I bet she was a looker back in the day. Ugly girls have to give good head, whilst the fatt girls must aquaint themselves with teh deepthroat.

[ramelman]

YES!!! peter vs sergio.

sergio is easily the most skilled and smartest fighter in the competition (maybe tarrick is just as smart, but he had no endurance), but he's weak in the body, and has no power.

peter is not that smart, slower than sergio, but definitely more powerful.

i want both of them to win. i hope they have a great fight, and nobody gets ko'd.

if sergio can't hurt peter, peter should maul sergio into the ropes and just keep attacking the body all night. sergio better hope that his jab and hook are enough to keep peter honest.

great finale! :)

[natecrime]

Is the final going to be twelve rounds?

[ramelman]

i read a post saying it's 10 rounds. not sure though.

[natecrime]

At least ten is better than five, any idea why they might have chose ten? Do they use ten at any other events etc?

[Bishop]

to be honest, I was going for Jesse last night. I now that the spoilers have been floating around, but I didn't check them out. Sergio was the better boxer with the speed while Jesse packed the power. I liked when the 3rd or 4th round ended and Sergio was in his corner and said: "man he hits hard" or something like that.

can't wait for the finals. again, i'm still going for Peter like I have for the longest of time. Sergio is probably the favorite, but so was Alfonso against Peter

[Optimus Van Optimum]

To me Jesse's head hasn't been in the game since he fought that black dude. Everytime Jesse got agressive with Sergio he won the exchanges. Also, how many times did Sergio hit Jesse with that lunging jab. For fucks sake LEFT HOOK! It looked like Jesse wanted to lose.

Actually the odds are even for Manfredo/Mora (www.insidefighting.com). This is going to be an interesting fight. If Mora was smart he would use his jab and stay to the outside. Peter likes to bang on the inside and if Mora thought Brinkley hit hard I think he will be quit surprised when Manfredo connects. This fight is too close to call cuz it could easily go either way but I'm pulling for Peter. If I was him I'd pull a Winky on him. Keep the gloves up and always move forward, cut off the ring, block a few punches then counter punch or get on the inside.

[Johnny Toetags]

So the final is tonight? I was away for the past 2 weeks, someone fill me in!!

[Oliver Klosov]

Peter will win.

[Johnny Toetags]

what happened last week? I'm hoping for a recap but just in case...

[Oliver Klosov]

what happened last week? I'm hoping for a recap but just in case...

Sergio via UD over Jesse. Looked like a tough fight. 4 - 3

[OneFate]

1st 10/9 brinkl

[Johnny Toetags]

2nd 10/9 brink.
3rd 10/9 gomez...

[OneFate]

B/G rd three great round. Cuba went back to his gladiator days haha.I know it's not commentary type shit but I love it!

[Bishop]

nbc.com contender's poll

Who do you think will become The Contender?

Peter - 62.80%
Sergio - 37.24%

[OneFate]

The fonze has it. Damn wish the rest the fights weren't edited to get a better feel for the fighters.

All about tempo boys.

[Johnny Toetags]

Alfonso's chin probably sealed this win for him, but his bravado would've cost him if there was 30 seconds more to this fight... then again, he wouldn't have done that if he didn't know there were 10 seconds left.


A noble effort by both men, but that accidental headbutt seemed to take the fight out of Jessie...

[OneFate]

nbc.com contender's poll

Who do you think will become The Contender?

Peter - 62.80%
Sergio - 37.24%

Serg is so slick and has such great stamina he could take it.

[Bishop]

recap....who fought and who's won so far?

WAR PETER and his fine wife

[Johnny Toetags]

Decision time...

49 to 46
48 to 47 twice...


Alfonso wins.

[OneFate]

Alfonso man ,guy you'd like in your club. Good recap Johnny!

ART OF WAR from when i read it. Know your enemy ,when amour dampend and weapons dulled rulers will act. Time to react .

[Johnny Toetags]

WAR MORA!!!!!!!!!!

[OneFate]

WAR MORA!!!!!!!!!!

I'm fighting in Quebec City this july. After i win I'll buy all your drinks if peter losses.

Make the trek!

[OneFate]

10/9 sergio I won't lie

[OneFate]

10/9 sergio rd 2

[Johnny Toetags]

remind me and Ill be there.


BIG late bomb by Peter... another round fro Sergio by my book. GREAT fight. much better than the edited fights... very close....

[Johnny Toetags]

mora getting roughed up inside...

[Johnny Toetags]

rd 3 manfredo... not by much.

[OneFate]

rd 3 Peter Affective aggression

[Johnny Toetags]

now MORA'S chewing him up inside... holy shit. It's either 2 to 2 or 3 rounds to 1 Mora.

I have it 3 rounds to 1 mora...

[Johnny Toetags]

round 5's to close to call... sergio HAD him but acted cocky and that cost him big, overall crisper shots by mora... so ill give it to him anyways

[Johnny Toetags]

stfu sly

[Johnny Toetags]

I think sergio got hurt there, round 6 to Peter...


I have it 4 rounds to 2, Mora - but it's real close. Closer than I have it, probably.

[Johnny Toetags]

here we go...

[Bishop]

it's 3-3 going into the 7th

[Johnny Toetags]

Mora dominates round 7.

Brilliant stuff. I love this kid.

[Johnny Toetags]

Peter was desperate and spent in that last round, and he took some heavy shots because of it...

[OneFate]

Your right ,Stamina= you do what you want with a fighter.


I guess I'm the pride of NE now.