Team Jackson - against the ropes?

[Johnny Toetags]

Diego Sanchez - lost to Koschek. gone.
Rashad Evans - tied with Tito. mia/time off.
Joey Villasenor - lost to Rua.
St. Pierre - lost to Serra, training part time with Jackson and co. Could possibly lose to Kos.
Nate Marquardt - lost to Silva, I can't imagine him getting another UFC shot soon.
Keith Jardine - less devastating loss, since it was flukey, but a high chance to lose his next fight.
Leonard Garcia - meh.

The Team's next 2 big fights (if you can call GSP part of that team) are GSP/KOS, and Jardine/Liddell.

If Jardine loses to Chuck, will he leave the team? Will he blame the coaching, the gameplan or the team for the loss? Will the team kick him out?

Same goes for GSP. If he loses, that 2 times in a row that they'd fail to gameplan for Kos properly.

In the fickle world of MMA, all this doesn't bode too well for Team Jackson.

Is this team doomed to flavor-of-the-month syndrome, or can they stick it out?

[chuck]

Jardine will lose though i hope he wins in many ways.

Kos is tough to come against. you have to be confident on your back and Kos has to be nervous of that fact. otherwise it'll be LnP event. Is GSP that good on his back or will his standup be precise enough to make Kos desperate? I dont know right now.

all teams go through tough times. Jackson's problem is he has only one stand-out

[Betro]

http://www.bloodyknux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28002&highlight=greg+jackson

lots of people seem interested in team jackson

[OB Juan]

A bit dramatic, aren't we?

We'll see what Diego is truly made out of in his fight w/ Fitch. Even a good performance in a loss will keep him around. If he looks like he did vs Kos, sure he might be history.

Rashad drawing w/ Tito isn't that big of a hit. He's still undefeated and Tito just happens to be a guy that it's tough to look good against unless your name is Chuck Liddell.

Joey V was never an A level fighter anyhow. Losing to Ninja is nothing more than a speed bump. He'll probably be back beating solid B fighters soon enough.

GSP is his own man (I don't personally think of him as a Jackson's fighter). Frankly, I'm not too worried about him vs Kos, either. After seeing him beat down Sherk, Trigg, and Hughes I think he'll be just fine and eventually reclaim his spot at the top of the div.

Marquardt lost to a man who is proving himself to be the most dominant MW champ to date. No shame in that. He'll be back, if not in the UFC then to challenge for Filho's belt after a comeback win.

Jardine's last fight makes up for his fight before that. He's good, but far from great. Losing to Chuck does not necessarily hurt him as long as he's competitive for a while in losing.

Garcia is a gamer who is fun to watch. He'll be mixing it up in the LW div for a while methinks.



Basically, I think most of these guys could be good to send down to the WEC and challenge for a title in their respective divs given a comeback win or whatever depending on their case. Sure it might be considered being dropped down a notch, but that's how it goes. I still wouldn't even call that "against the ropes" though.

Jardine vs Marshall
Marquardt vs Filho
Diego vs Condit
Garcia vs McCullough

I'd watch any of those matches and be damn happy to.

[chuck]

Filho would embarrass Marquardt more than Silva did. The faith people had in him before the Silva fight was unbelievable.

[US Tomato Can]

A bit dramatic and 3 of those guys are fairly recent additions.

[dragomort]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4510&zoneid=13

was posted today and has some updates, but nothing really new on what's going on with everyone there.

[Cell]

Filho would embarrass Marquardt more than Silva did. The faith people had in him before the Silva fight was unbelievable.


Last I checked a premature stoppage does not equal embarrassment in any way.

[taekwondo-n't]

Last I checked a premature stoppage does not equal embarrassment in any way.

seriously...how can you guys think that nate marquardt going fetal, and taking, like, 4 clean shots to the face is a legit stoppage. that was OBVIOUSLY premature. jeez...

:rolleyes:

[36thDisciple]

Last I checked a premature stoppage does not equal embarrassment in any way.
lol what?

[dragomort]

Intelligent defense! Recognize!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9322/78383726mi4.jpg

[Donut62]

Last I checked a premature stoppage does not equal embarrassment in any way.


LOLZ

[taekwondo-n't]

Intelligent defense! Recognize!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9322/78383726mi4.jpg

dear god...anderson silva should have his title stripped immediately. behavior such as that exhibited in the picture above is unacceptable. mercilessly pounding away on a fetus? simply unforgiveable...

[Chivo]

What is embarrassing is thinking that was anything but a good stoppage.

[Z A C H E R]

I wouldn't say they are against the ropes. People said the same thing about MFS three years ago, but they are still around producing good fighters. It happens to every team, and everyone in this sport. It is the nature of the beast.

[36thDisciple]

Silva's right arm looks crazy in that picture.

[Cell]

Yeah, my bad, I meant to refer to the stand-up, not the stoppage, I guess I just had stoppage on the brain. I though the stand-up where Nate was working for position and clearly in control and active while on top was very premature, but the stoppage was legit, my bad.

[taekwondo-n't]

Yeah, my bad, I meant to refer to the stand-up, not the stoppage, I guess I just had stoppage on the brain. I though the stand-up where Nate was working for position and clearly in control and active while on top was very premature, but the stoppage was legit, my bad.

in which case, i take back all the smartass remarks. ;)

i agree the stand-up was questionable, but nothing in comparison to gonzaga/cro cop.

[Left Hook]

Yeah, my bad, I meant to refer to the stand-up, not the stoppage, I guess I just had stoppage on the brain. I though the stand-up where Nate was working for position and clearly in control and active while on top was very premature, but the stoppage was legit, my bad.

After the switch, there is really no complaining about Nate having any kind of control. He was mercifully defeated.

[dragomort]

Yeah, my bad, I meant to refer to the stand-up, not the stoppage, I guess I just had stoppage on the brain. I though the stand-up where Nate was working for position and clearly in control and active while on top was very premature, but the stoppage was legit, my bad.
lol, that makes more sense. I guess they could have waited for a bit longer, but it was pretty clear that Nate was done.

Of course, given the calls in regard to stand-ups made for Nate when he fought Lister I still don't think you can complain too much.....

[US Tomato Can]

Marqurdt to me was much ballyhooed as the 2nd coming of Christ for that division even prior to Jackson's camp. Still waiting...

[OB Juan]

Filho would embarrass Marquardt more than Silva did. The faith people had in him before the Silva fight was unbelievable.

Filho and Silva are completely different fighters. Filho is more like a Lister.

I guess my point was that a guy like Nate would be much better comp than anybody the WEC currently has for a title shot.

[Left Hook]

The thing is, everyone knows how stand ups go in the UFC. Unless you are Randy, you need to pass guard within 30 seconds or you will be stood up. Not a surprise.

[OB Juan]

The thing is, everyone knows how stand ups go in the UFC. Unless you are Randy, you need to pass guard within 30 seconds or you will be stood up. Not a surprise.

Originally I thought the stand up was questionable but after a second watch I think it was fine. Marquardt was simply outclassed.

[DeltaSigChi4]

The thing is, everyone knows how stand ups go in the UFC. Unless you are Randy OR SHERK, you need to pass guard within 30 seconds or you will be stood up. Not a surprise.

Fixed.

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[Left Hook]

Fixed.

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To be fair. All sherk does is pass the guard.

[DeltaSigChi4]

I wouldn't know. I usually nap for twenty-five minutes when Sean Sherk is fighting. Even when I am a part of the live gate.

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[RampageOwnzAll]

Diego Sanchez - lost to Koschek. gone.

Had a horrible injury before the fight, you can tell Diego didn't fight the fight he usually does. He didn't even go for a takedown once, and on the ground is his strenght. What do you mean by gone? He's fighting one of the elite WW's, Jon Fitch at UFC 76.


Rashad Evans - tied with Tito. mia/time off.

He's most likely getting a rematch with Tito Ortiz. He should win if he fights a smarter fight then before.


Joey Villasenor - lost to Rua.

He sucks anyway.


St. Pierre - lost to Serra, training part time with Jackson and co. Could possibly lose to Kos.

We'll see how things go against Koscheck, it will really tell where he stands at this point.


Nate Marquardt - lost to Silva, I can't imagine him getting another UFC shot soon.

Still will be a force in the MW divison, no matter what.


Keith Jardine - less devastating loss, since it was flukey, but a high chance to lose his next fight.[quote]

High chance of losing his next fight? More like 95% he'll lose his next fight.

[quote]
Leonard Garcia - meh.

He's still pretty much prospect, we'll see how things span out for his career. He looks like he has a bright future. Big fight against another good young fighter in Cole Miller.

[Betro]

he means that Diego has left Team Jackson