Fedor, GSP and Anderson are the greatest MMA fighters of all time.

[S.R.]

In MMA's short history, nobody has dominated as much as these two guys.

It's unfortunate they have to be in competition for P4P due to org wars. They'll never fight, but they should be 1A and 1B in P4P. Nobody can hang with them.

And if GSP can demolish Fitch in under a minute he shall join their company.

We should be so happy to be afforded the opportunity to watch these amazing Mixed Martial Artists.

I feel they'll never get the respect they deserve since MMA is so new. Both AS and Fedor are all over the ESPN.com frontpage, and I just hope they'll be remembered when this sport evolves (again)

Also, I'm drunk. Mods, please delete this in the AM.

[Phla Les]

GSP and Fedor have both faced better competition because both of their weight classes are more competitive.

Anderson is great, but he hasn't fought anyone world class outside of Henderson, because 185 sucks. Don't give me the Rich Franklin crap either, Franklin doesn't have a single worthy name on his record in the win column.

[Left Hook]

Hendo isn't even that good at 185. I don't know if you can put Anderson or GSP in Fedor's class. More fights and he has never slipped up. Anderson will always have that triangle and flying leglock to live down. GSP will have the one second armbar and Serra fight.

[Phla Les]

Hendo isn't even that good at 185. I don't know if you can put Anderson or GSP in Fedor's class. More fights and he has never slipped up. Anderson will always have that triangle and flying leglock to live down. GSP will have the one second armbar and Serra fight.

GSP has the most impressive 4 win streak in MMA history that may never be topped.

Trigg
Sherk
Penn
Hughes

All guys are ranked in the top 5 when he fought them, 2 of them were at #1 (Penn and Hughes) and Sherk was #2, while Trigg somewhere top 5.

I don't hold the loss to Hughes too much against GSP. He clearly wasn't ready for that fight back then. The Serra loss is bad, but was avenged via brutal destruction.

[Left Hook]

Trigg sucks. Sherk can't beat anyone worth a damn at WW. Ranking isn;t exactly qualty.

And tapping with one second left is tapping with one second left.

[Crax]

One of the things that makes Fedor so impressive to me is that he has never seemed to show up unprepared for a fight. I've never heard him make excuses that he was sick or something either.

Besides against maybe Arona, has he even really been losing a fight after the first? He's finished many in the first round, but he's never really even had to make a comeback as he's always winning.

[Phla Les]

Trigg sucks. Sherk can't beat anyone worth a damn at WW. Ranking isn;t exactly qualty.

And tapping with one second left is tapping with one second left.

Trigg sucks now, back then he was a force. And Sherk massed like 20+ wins at WW. He was far and away the 2nd best WW at the time. It was Hughes, him, and everyone else.

[turbozed]

One of the things that makes Fedor so impressive to me is that he has never seemed to show up unprepared for a fight. I've never heard him make excuses that he was sick or something either.

Besides against maybe Arona, has he even really been losing a fight after the first? He's finished many in the first round, but he's never really even had to make a comeback as he's always winning.

He was losing his fight with Hunt for the first 5 minutes. Although that wasn't a round in PRIDE, it would've been a lost round if Fedor didn't eventually get the W.

Speaking of Hunt...One more event left tonite gentlemen.

[Cosmetics]

I dont think I'll ever be sold on Anderson.

[Crax]

In over 25 fights, how many rounds has he actually lost? Less than 4? I'm pretty tired right now, but I can't think of hardly any.

[chuck]

He was losing his fight with Hunt for the first 5 minutes. Although that wasn't a round in PRIDE, it would've been a lost round if Fedor didn't eventually get the W.

Speaking of Hunt...One more event left tonite gentlemen.

I suppose he was losing in terms of points but Hunt was never ever gonna sub Fedor. not if we had all the monkeys in the world.

[turbozed]

I feel you on that. But if that fight were transposed into the UFC, and the bell sounded at 5 minutes in, then the judges would have to score it a 10-9 round for Hunto.

But yeah, Fedor really hasn't lost a round in MMA rules if you argue that Rings' rules doesn't qualify.

And he hasn't ever been knocked down. When you look at entire careers, Fedor is ahead by a wide margin.

[Phla Les]

And he hasn't ever been knocked down

Fujita did actually put him on ice skates. That's as close as anyone got.

[Left Hook]

Trigg sucks now, back then he was a force. And Sherk massed like 20+ wins at WW. He was far and away the 2nd best WW at the time. It was Hughes, him, and everyone else.

20 wins mean nothing when you can't do a thing to top talent.

[Whining Pussy]

GSP has no business being even considered in the company of Anderson Silva, much less Fedor Emelianenko. There are two truly great fighters, but Fedor stands a bit beyond it all. No one is as relaxed as Fedor.

[Left Hook]

If Fedor is in a higher regard then Anderson, why did you write "much less Anderson".

[Phla Les]

20 wins mean nothing when you can't do a thing to top talent.


Hughes was his only loss in 6 years. His only losses are to Hughes and GSP at WW, the 2 greatest WWs ever.

[Phla Les]

GSP has no business being even considered in the company of Fedor Emelianenko, much less Anderson.

Yea, Silva is so awesome at KOing fighters nobody gives a damn about. Let him fight someone relevant before you put him anywhere near GSP, who has a resume 100x that of Silva.

[Left Hook]

And who else did he fight at WW? Sherk fought no one.

[Phla Les]

And who else did he fight at WW?

Jutaro Nakao, Karo twice, and a bunch of irrelevant guys. Either way, having 1 loss in 6 years is pretty impressive. Some of the unknowns he fought actually have pretty decent records.

He'd clean up 170 even today, outside of maybe Fitch. You gotta be either a better and/or stronger wrestler, or an amazing athlete to defend Sherk's takedown, and I don't see many that fit that bill.

[Whining Pussy]

Yea, Silva is so awesome at KOing fighters nobody gives a damn about. Let him fight someone relevant before you put him anywhere near GSP, who has a resume 100x that of Silva.
GSP got KOed by Matt Serra. BJ Penn tore his face off in only a few minutes. and after the John Fitch fight, we can talk more about this. in any case tho, Matt Hughes is old guard. His greatness was defined in a completely insular division where he almost never fought any validated top contender. Anderson Silva has made every relevant and authenticated title challenger look to be in a completely lesser league. i'm not really interested in anything anyone has to say about his early losses in Japan. Times have clearly changed. GSP however was defaced by BJ and pounded out by a peripheral ww in a time frame far more relevant. also, not that you have to rape the competition, but GSP does not at all exhibit the kind of head and shoulders above dominance over his division, that has by comparison come to be expected of lb4lb kings.

[Whining Pussy]

He'd clean up 170 even today, outside of maybe Fitch. You gotta be either a better and/or stronger wrestler, or an amazing athlete to defend Sherk's takedown, and I don't see many that fit that bill.
huh.. tell that to Thiago Alves, Diego Sanchez, Josh Koscheck.. i think you can probly even get a laugh with that thought from some less stellar figures in the class. Shields would surely giggle. Condit, maybe a "psssshhh". but, yea, you're on another planet.
and in case you forgot so quickly, BJ Penn just wiped his ass with Sherk.

[Left Hook]

Jutaro Nakao, Karo twice, and a bunch of irrelevant guys. Either way, having 1 loss in 6 years is pretty impressive. Some of the unknowns he fought actually have pretty decent records.

He'd clean up 170 even today, outside of maybe Fitch. You gotta be either a better and/or stronger wrestler, or an amazing athlete to defend Sherk's takedown, and I don't see many that fit that bill.

Alves would beat his ass. Fitch would beat his ass. GSP would beat his ass. Koscheck would beat his ass. Diego would beat his ass. Hell Karo today (not the green 20 year old) would beat his ass. Aoki would rip his T-Rex arms off.

[Phla Les]

GSP got KOed by Matt Serra. BJ Penn tore his face off in only a few minutes. and after the John Fitch fight, we can talk more about this. in any case tho, Matt Hughes is old guard. His greatness was defined in a completely insular division where he almost never fought any validated top contender. Anderson Silva has made every relevant and authenticated title challenger look to be in a completely lesser league. i'm not really interested in anything anyone has to say about his early losses in Japan. Times have clearly changed. GSP however was defaced by BJ and pounded out by a peripheral ww in a time frame for more relevant.

Yea, because that is devastating to your argument.

BJ "defacing" GSP is BS. The 2 strikes that made his face look like that was a thumb in the eye on a jab and a missed uppercut that did zero damage outside of clipping GSP's nose. In other words, 2 fluke punches that did cosmetic damage without any real damage.

As far as the Serra loss, it was a pure fluke and the only reason why GSP is not on Fedor's status. This loss was more than avenged. Let me know if Silva avenges the losses to the cans he lost to. With all the amazing KOs Silva added under his belt, his career highlight was getting flying heel hooked by Chonan.

[Whining Pussy]

ohhhh... flukes... yea. there are no flukes in mma worth excusing the failings of your wishful lb4lb king.

[Left Hook]

;1073898As far as the Serra loss, it was a pure fluke and the only reason why GSP is not on Fedor's status. This loss was more than avenged. Let me know if Silva avenges the losses to the cans he lost to. With all the amazing KOs Silva added under his belt, his career highlight was getting flying heel hooked by Chonan.

Yeah because coming out unprepared and nervous to fight Serra is a fluke. :rolleyes:

[Whining Pussy]

frankly, GSP probly will not successfully defend to Fitch. then maybe you can resurrect this topic for me so we can gleefully acknowledge your wild delusions again.

[Phla Les]

huh.. tell that to Thiago Alves, Diego Sanchez, Josh Koscheck.. i think you can probly even get a laugh with that thought from some less stellar figures in the class. Shields would surely giggle. Condit, maybe a "psssshhh". but, yea, you're on another planet.
and in case you forgot so quickly, BJ Penn just wiped his ass with Sherk.



Throwing out names like that is nice and all, but it proves nothing. Sanchez showed against Koscheck and Fitch he's vulnerable against wrestlers. Koscheck is an interesting match up and would be hard to call since they're so similar in style. Alves, maybe -- it depends on how washed up Hughes is today. Condit, doubtful. Sherk would shrug off all his subs, Condit would be on his back for 25 mins. Jake Shields can suck a fat one.

[Left Hook]

Lets put it this way. When was the last time Fedor or Anderson came out either unprepared or nervous for a fight?

[Phla Les]

ohhhh... flukes... yea. there are no flukes in mma worth excusing the failings of your wishful lb4lb king.

Fluke or not (IMO it is), GSP avenged that loss by a brutal one sided beatdown. Silva has 2 holes on his record, and even more cans and at best B-level competition.

[Whining Pussy]

actually Koscheck is not at all similar to Sherk. Koscheck split Lytle's head open and enjoyed a universally agreed 10-8 round. Koscheck can also effectively execute a head kick. but this is completely off-topic, to the extent that we are defaming the real merit of this thread. bow your pathetic head to the masters or move along. GSP does not live here.

[Left Hook]

Kosheck can actually do damage...

[Anton Chigurh]

Yea, Silva is so awesome at KOing fighters nobody gives a damn about. Let him fight someone relevant before you put him anywhere near GSP, who has a resume 100x that of Silva.

Getting KO'ed standing by a midget grappler, being arm-barred off a rookie Kimura by an inbred wrassler, and having one of the worst decisions of all time go his way against BJ?

Yeah, good resume.

You guys all seem to be overlooking the fact that the MW division sucks because its measuring stick is Anderson Silva. The HW division also sucks if you expect everyone to fight like Fedor.

EDIT: GSP is incredibly good, but I can't believe there's consensus here that Anderson doesn't belong in the same category as GSP and Fedor. You guys are either dumb, don't train ("Why doesn't the big guy just punch his face!!!?"), don't like him for some reason (e.g., I hate on Kenflo and Forrest all the time like that), or have a gross inability to recognize talent/greatness.

[Phla Les]

actually Koscheck is not at all similar to Sherk. Koscheck split Lytle's head open and enjoyed a universally agreed 10-8 round.

Sean Sherk once beat up a nerd in high school.

The above is about as relevant to the given discussion as what you posted.

[Whining Pussy]

Getting KO'ed standing by a midget grappler, being arm-barred off a rookie Kimura by an inbred wrassler, and having one of the worst decisions of all time go his way against BJ?

Yeah, good resume.

You guys all seem to be overlooking the fact that the MW division sucks because its measuring stick is Anderson Silva. The HW division also sucks if you expect everyone to fight like Fedor.
and he goes by the HNIC, or perhaps you'd prefer to call him Batman..

[Left Hook]

Getting KO'ed standing by a midget grappler, being arm-barred off a rookie Kimura by an inbred wrassler, and having one of the worst decisions of all time go his way against BJ?

Yeah, good resume.

You guys all seem to be overlooking the fact that the MW division sucks because its measuring stick is Anderson Silva. The HW division also sucks if you expect everyone to fight like Fedor.

EDIT: GSP is incredibly good, but I can't believe there's consensus here that Anderson doesn't belong in the same category as GSP and Fedor. You guys are either dumb, don't train ("Why doesn't the big guy just punch his face!!!?"), don't like him for some reason (e.g., I hate on Kenflo and Forrest all the time like that), or have a gross inability to recognize talent/greatness.

What? it goes-

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[Goiden]

One of the things that makes Fedor so impressive to me is that he has never seemed to show up unprepared for a fight. I've never heard him make excuses that he was sick or something either.

Besides against maybe Arona, has he even really been losing a fight after the first? He's finished many in the first round, but he's never really even had to make a comeback as he's always winning.

Fujita and Hunt.

But gottam that destruction of Sylvia was brutal. Tho the thing I almost forgot when I saw it was that Arlovski did something like that to Tim a couple years ago and almost did the exact same thing in their rematch. But yeah Sylvia has improved much since then.

[Anton Chigurh]

What? it goes-

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Fixed.

(But yeah, I agree.)

[Anton Chigurh]

Fedor showed that he's mortal. Sylvia landed flush when they touched gloves. The Last Emperor's knux will feel that in the morning.

[Phla Les]

GSP is incredibly good, but I can't believe there's consensus here that Anderson doesn't belong in the same category as GSP and Fedor. You guys are either dumb, don't train ("Why doesn't the big guy just punch his face!!!?"), don't like him for some reason (e.g., I hate on Kenflo and Forrest all the time like that), or have a gross inability to recognize talent/greatness.

Don't get me wrong, I think Anderson can easily surpass all the hype he's getting if he's to succeed at 205. I'd never rag on his talent or skills. However, he hasn't beaten anyone, and it's not his fault his weight class is the absolute worst. But you do have to take that into consideration when you compare the fighters.

[L Vokal]

Matsune doesn't give a fuck about Fedor, GSP, and Anderson Silva.

[Phla Les]

Matsune doesn't give a fuck about Fedor, GSP, and Anderson Silva.

Truthiness.

Matsune would wipe those bitches up in a one night gauntlet..



....barring any injury prior, during or in between the fights.

[L Vokal]

Truthiness.

Matsune would wipe those bitches up in a one night gauntlet..



....barring any injury prior, during or in between the fights.

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[FRANKIE]

What? it goes-

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More like that, but I get your point.

[Left Hook]

Yeah but the last thing I want to do is to piss Anderson off.

[Whining Pussy]

Matsune doesn't give a fuck about Fedor, GSP, and Anderson Silva.
well, he's not really a fighter either, so i'd generally assume he's got other things on his mind.

[Kilroy]

GSP and Fedor have both faced better competition because both of their weight classes are more competitive.

Anderson is great, but he hasn't fought anyone world class outside of Henderson, because 185 sucks. Don't give me the Rich Franklin crap either, Franklin doesn't have a single worthy name on his record in the win column.

Former champ Tanner was a decent win.
Okami?
David Loiseau was very highly tauted before Franklin destroyed him.

Add to that decent wins like Quarry, Dewees, Rivera, MacDonald etc.

185 isnt that bad, Silva just makes it seem that way.
And Franklin is a great fighter.

[Kilroy]

Trigg sucks now, back then he was a force. And Sherk massed like 20+ wins at WW. He was far and away the 2nd best WW at the time. It was Hughes, him, and everyone else.

I disagree about Sherk, he had to few even decent wins.

[Kilroy]

Jutaro Nakao, Karo twice, and a bunch of irrelevant guys. Either way, having 1 loss in 6 years is pretty impressive. Some of the unknowns he fought actually have pretty decent records.


Eh, yeah, but that doesnt make him #2, it makes him top 10.

He'd clean up 170 even today, outside of maybe Fitch. You gotta be either a better and/or stronger wrestler, or an amazing athlete to defend Sherk's takedown, and I don't see many that fit that bill.

Fuck that, pure speculation and I disagree.
Koscheck, Alves, Sanchez, Shields, Condit are some other guys I think would beat him.

[Kilroy]

To me, Andersson has faught about as much valid top competition as Fedor has.

After he beats Cote and Okami, he will really solidify his P4P ranking.

[adamn]

Fedor is such a can...

[elbowsmash]

i know i haven't posted on these boards for awhile

but putting gsp in the likes of fedor is fucking retarded. lets see him hold the belt for more than 2 fights before we put him in the likes with the only fighter thats in contention to be the GOAT.

gsp can't even hold on to a belt longer than 1 fight and you want to put him in the likes of a fighter who's never really lost a fight? dismantled a former UFC HW champ in 36 seconds?

you nugs are crazy

gsp is a dominant fighter
fedor is a dominant champ

there is a difference.

[Left Hook]

Only one person seems to be saying that though.

[Gabriel]

Goddamn there's a bunch of fickle bitches in this thread. All 3 fighters named are head and shoulders above the rest of their weightclass.

GSP had a soul destroying win streak against top talent in one of the deepest divisions in MMA. Karo, Trigg, Hughes, Penn, koscheck, Sherk, etc. are all wins that Jesus would have trouble matching. Sure he has two rough patches in his career, but that heppens when you consistently fight only the best out there, the fact that it's ONLY been two rough patches is what's impressive.

Anderson is the 185 version of GSP, just straight out wrecking any fool that steps in with him in such a dominant fashion it's more like watching organized muggings instead of a sanctioned fight. As for rough patches I'd say getting heel-hooked by Ryo fucking Chonan equals GSP's 2 rough patches. Welcome to the world of being human

Fedor is in a league of his own. Biggest problem is quality of opponents with a couple notable exceptions. Maybe if he consistently faced a high level of talent ,as opposed to whatever hobo they coax into the ring with promises of a chicken sandwich, we would have seen a Fedor off-night......nah.. that's just crazy talk.

In short, a few people need to get down off their mile high fucking horses and recognize true talent when it's right in front of them.

[adamn]

*pokes Gabriel with a stick from his horse*

[Oliver Klosov]

To me, Andersson has faught about as much valid top competition as Fedor has.

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Where does Anderson have a win as impressive as the one of Zuluhino?

[Bird]

Cat Smasher ?

[Kilroy]

Waldir dos Anjos?

The name and the records sort of match at least... :o

[Oliver Klosov]

Waldir dos Anjos?

The name and the records sort of match at least... :o


huh?

[Kilroy]

A win as impressive as Zuluzhino. :o

Wagner da Conceicao Martins

[Oliver Klosov]

A win as impressive as Zuluzhino. :o

Wagner da Conceicao Martins


who the fuck is Wagner da Conceicao Martins?

[Bird]

I think he wrote that song the Army used to play while bombing the beaches of Vietnam.

[Kilroy]

who the fuck is Wagner da Conceicao Martins?

Zuluzhinos real name noob.

[Oliver Klosov]

Zuluzhinos real name noob.


so anderson's win over Zuluhino is as impressive as Fedor's win over Zuluhino? I was not aware that Anderson had fought Zuluhino.

[Kilroy]

Noooo, Andersson defeated Waldir dos Anjos who at least in name and record is comparable to a Zuluzhino!

[Kilroy]

I made a bad joke, ok. Im bored. But come on!

[Punch Permed]

Fedor > Anderson

[Bert McGirt]

I do have to agree that if there were a list made today of the greatest mma fighters ever, I would put Fedor, GSP and Anderson at the top of the list. The reason is purely because of how they dominate their competition. In a year or two we could be having a G.O.A.T. debate between these three guys.

GSP has definitively won every single one of his UFC fights except for the Penn scrap and his losses. Anderson has had a couple of slight scares but the way he brutally finishes his opponents makes you quickly forget that he was in trouble a couple minutes prior to his hand getting raised. And of course Fedor needs no explanation, he just does the damn thing. Though they are great they all are still a couple of steps away from enlightenment.

If Fedor can beat Barnett, Arlovski and Couture in familiar Fedor fashion he can retire the best ever. If GSP can get a streak of title defenses going with Fitch, Alves & Penn as unsuccessful challengers, he could be considered the best based on level of competition he has faced throughout his entire career. If Anderson can continue his streak and go up to LHW, tear through the deepest division and win the title than that would be one hell of an achievement. And we would have one hell of a debate.

[Phla Les]

i know i haven't posted on these boards for awhile

but putting gsp in the likes of fedor is fucking retarded. lets see him hold the belt for more than 2 fights before we put him in the likes with the only fighter thats in contention to be the GOAT.

gsp can't even hold on to a belt longer than 1 fight and you want to put him in the likes of a fighter who's never really lost a fight? dismantled a former UFC HW champ in 36 seconds?

you nugs are crazy

gsp is a dominant fighter
fedor is a dominant champ

there is a difference.


Only one person seems to be saying that though.


As far as the Serra loss, it was a pure fluke and the only reason why GSP is not on Fedor's status.

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[Necrocide]

There is Fedor and there is everyone else.

Anderson Silva?

GTFO.

[Acefrank]

Matt Lindland made Fedor cheat by grabbing the rope to avoid a takedown. Spider is the best right now

[Bishop]

Matt Lindland made Fedor cheat by grabbing the rope to avoid a takedown. Spider is the best right now
has Fedor ever been legitimately finished to a fighter in the same class as Ryo Chonan and/or Daiju Takase?

[Oliver Klosov]

Matt Lindland made Fedor cheat by grabbing the rope to avoid a takedown. Spider is the best right now


Okami made Anderson cheat by kicking a downed opponent to avoid LnP. Fedor is the best.

[Bishop]

Fedor was a KoK, Anderson was not

[Lightning Hands]

fedor is white. anderson loses via dq. but still, he's pretty good.

[Ebeneezer]

Where does Anderson have a win as impressive as the one of Zuluhino?

Or Yuji Nagata.

[Bishop]

Anderson Silva knocked out the guy who knocked out Houston Alexander who knocked out Keith Jardine who got knocked out by Houston Alexander who lost to James Irvin

[Rumbin]

I love Anderson, never been a big fan of Fedor but its hard to argue the absolute tear Silva has been on since the flying heel hook. I love the line Rogan used in I believe the first Franklin fight "Ballad Of Violence". Dude is just incredible and so fun to watch. I dunno why people are even bringing GSP into this. If GSP fought Anderson Silva he would be looking at the lights no quicker then 4 minutes. Silva is just a pleasure to watch but its hard to argue Fedor as the GOAT after that performance last night. I never would have argued he was the GOAT before but that is just an exclamation point.

Either way they are def. a step above the rest right now.

[Punch Permed]

Don't mind me, just placing these here for a reminder to those lost from reality.

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[Lightning Hands]

this guy has got to be trolling. it takes years of studying to be able to appear this stupid.

[jadizm]

Fedor and Anderson I agree on. Not so much with GSP though...yet. I think he's got a few skulls to crack before being GOAT. Beating Hughes x2, Trigg and avenging a loss your supposed to win against Serra doesn't do it for me.

[Phla Les]

Beating Hughes x2, Trigg and avenging a loss your supposed to win against Serra doesn't do it for me.

I don't mean to sound like an ass, so sorry if I do. But if the above doesn't do it for you, what has Silva done to do it for you? Leben, Lutter, Irvin, Franklin? Hughes was a legend, and the way GSP disposed of him was unreal. His 2 wins over Hughes pretty much outweight everything Silva has done in his entire career and then some.

[Punch Permed]

I don't mean to sound like an ass, so sorry if I do. But if the above doesn't do it for you, what has Silva done to do it for you? Leben, Lutter, Irvin, Franklin? Hughes was a legend, and the way GSP disposed of him was unreal. His 2 wins over Hughes pretty much outweight everything Silva has done in his entire career and then some.

This, very much.

[jadizm]

I don't mean to sound like an ass, so sorry if I do. But if the above doesn't do it for you, what has Silva done to do it for you? Leben, Lutter, Irvin, Franklin? Hughes was a legend, and the way GSP disposed of him was unreal. His 2 wins over Hughes pretty much outweight everything Silva has done in his entire career and then some.
I dont wanna sound like an ass but that's stretching. I'll take Franklin twice and Henderson over Hughes twice. GSP is a young buck and almost had Hughes that first time but fell short due to inexperience. Not saying Hughes was or is an old man but it was almost inevitable that GSP was gonna beat Hughes the next few go arounds. Hughes was a legend? Very true, Royce is a legend and Hughes bascially dispatched him without breaking a sweat. Ken Shamrock was a legend but good ol' Buzz Berry caved him in. My point being fighting a legend (possibly past their prime) doens't always mean a competitve fight.

[36thDisciple]

Word. Hughes WAS a legend. The way Alves dispatched him is an indicator.

[Phla Les]

When GSP beat him the 1st time, Hughes was well in his prime. 2nd time? That's debatable.

As far as Franklin, he's nothing more than a UFC hype machine to resurrect 185. He beaten no one, absolutely no one.

[Lightning Hands]

fuck you people can be stupid. franklin is a very good fighter. he just doesn't look like he's a good fighter, nor act like it. he will beat a majority 185ers.

[Kilroy]

As far as Franklin, he's nothing more than a UFC hype machine to resurrect 185. He beaten no one, absolutely no one.

Prime Tanner, Okami, Prime Loiseau are three elite wins.
Then he has a bunch of decent wins and an overall record that is great.

[turbozed]

He 'beat' Okami. It was murder. MURDER!

[Necrocide]

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[Lightning Hands]

i hope anderson disposes of okami like he disposed of irvin.

[Punch Permed]

i hope anderson disposes of okami like he disposed of irvin.

Silva had to cheat the last time they fought.

[turbozed]

fuck you people can be stupid. franklin is a very good fighter. he just doesn't look like he's a good fighter, nor act like it. he will beat a majority 185ers.

I know what you're getting at, but being able to "beat a majority 185ers" includes guys like Phil Baroni.

[Punch Permed]

Prime Tanner, Okami, Prime Loiseau are three elite wins.
Then he has a bunch of decent wins and an overall record that is great.

Tanner is his biggest win, Loiseau was never "elite", he was decent... but he failed at making it to the next level.

Franklin lost to Okami, screw the 10-point must system.

[Phla Les]

Prime Tanner, Okami, Prime Loiseau are three elite wins.
Then he has a bunch of decent wins and an overall record that is great.

Loiseau...LOL! Did you see his fight with Swick? Elite? Dude only gets any kind of attention because GSP is in his corner.

Tanner's a decent fighter, but B-level at the very best at the time they fought.

I'll give you Okami, he's a solid fighter.

If that's elite, then I don't know what to say.

[elbowsmash]

Yea, because that is devastating to your argument.

BJ "defacing" GSP is BS. The 2 strikes that made his face look like that was a thumb in the eye on a jab and a missed uppercut that did zero damage outside of clipping GSP's nose. In other words, 2 fluke punches that did cosmetic damage without any real damage.

As far as the Serra loss, it was a pure fluke and the only reason why GSP is not on Fedor's status. This loss was more than avenged. Let me know if Silva avenges the losses to the cans he lost to. With all the amazing KOs Silva added under his belt, his career highlight was getting flying heel hooked by Chonan.


lol you consider anything landing on gsp to be a fluke.

one punch ko, yah i can say its a fluke, 26 consecutive landed punches? not a fluke, and it was confirmed when gsp intelligently did not want to stand with serra.

bj's punches landing on gsp? fluke? all the jabs fluke too? bj was handling gsp standing.

anyone can be champ, serra proved that. key is can you hold on to the belt? gsp hasn't shown that yet. can he be on fedor's level, time can tell, but you guys putting him on a pedestal is premature.

as far as recognizing talent as what it is, that is not what the conversation is about. this is about the GOAT, and gsp is not even close.

early 2000 matt hughes
and fedor are the only two that have ever fought at the level to be considered the GOAT in mma which is still a relatively young sport. If Couture beats fedor, he may lay claim to being the GOAT also.

before all the stupid arguments about gsp beating hughes come out, i say this, do you consider all the good boxers who beat ali towards the end of his career to have a legitimate claim to being the goat? no.

any talk of gsp is premature. and no, his losses were not flukes, punches that landed on his face and fucked him up are not flukes. One punch KO from a nobody i can see as a fluke, 23 consecutive punches landed by a midget is not a fluke, especially when it was set up by a low body counter (from what i remember)

[Phla Les]

lol you consider anything landing on gsp to be a fluke.

one punch ko, yah i can say its a fluke, 26 consecutive landed punches? not a fluke, and it was confirmed when gsp intelligently did not want to stand with serra.

To be technically accurate, the punch that rocked GSP was an illegal (be it unintentional) hit to the back of the head. That was a "fluke" punch. Serra is a savvy veteran and took care of business after that. GSP let a punch get through, just like Fedor did against Fujita. It happens, he got caught.

bj's punches landing on gsp? fluke? all the jabs fluke too? bj was handling gsp standing.

Watch the fight again, Penn did little in the entire fight. He did land a few good shots, but the shots that messed up GSP's face are flukes in the sense that they did no real damage, just cosmetic damage. If you judge that fight based on that, you're are flat out wrong. Fact.

anyone can be champ, serra proved that. key is can you hold on to the belt? gsp hasn't shown that yet. can he be on fedor's level, time can tell, but you guys putting him on a pedestal is premature.

I never put him on Fedor's level.

as far as recognizing talent as what it is, that is not what the conversation is about. this is about the GOAT, and gsp is not even close.

Nobody in this thread said that, certainly not me, outside of maybe when talking weight classes. It doesn't make it true if you keep repeating it

before all the stupid arguments about gsp beating hughes come out, i say this, do you consider all the good boxers who beat ali towards the end of his career to have a legitimate claim to being the goat? no.


What does thta have to do with anything? Hughes was in excellent shape in the 2nd fight with GSP.

[Lightning Hands]

I know what you're getting at, but being able to "beat a majority 185ers" includes guys like Phil Baroni.
yeah yeah, haha. but i'd pick him over everyone that isn't silva, hendo or lindland. i think he'd knock paulo filho senseless. anderson would handle paulo so easily i think the internet would implode.

[BigJ383]

Tanner is his biggest win, Loiseau was never "elite", he was decent... but he failed at making it to the next level.

Franklin lost to Okami, screw the 10-point must system.

LOL at Franklin losing to Okami. I like the mentality that if Okami would have been more agressive he would have won. Really if Okami had beeen more agressive he may of wound up KOed. He may have won but we won't know because he wasn't Franklin won comfortably no argument can be made for Okami winning without ignoring all scoring rules.

[Punch Permed]

LOL at Franklin losing to Okami. I like the mentality that if Okami would have been more agressive he would have won. Really if Okami had beeen more agressive he may of wound up KOed. He may have won but we won't know because he wasn't Franklin won comfortably no argument can be made for Okami winning without ignoring all scoring rules.

Okami won in PRIDE, YOU KNOW!

[BigJ383]

Okami won in PRIDE, YOU KNOW!

Pride doesn't exist. And no he didn't he got one TD and one submission attempt. Overall Franklin was the agressor and landed more clean strikes won the majority of the fight on any score card. Besides the "he would have won in Pride" argument is stupid and infantile. The fight didn't take place in Pride. Those who think Okami won have their own personal bias trying to fulfill their belief Franklin is nothing more than Hype.

[Punch Permed]

Pride doesn't exist. And no he didn't he got one TD and one submission attempt. Overall Franklin was the agressor and landed more clean strikes won the majority of the fight on any score card. Besides the "he would have won in Pride" argument is stupid and infantile. The fight didn't take place in Pride. Those who think Okami won have their own personal bias trying to fulfill their belief Franklin is nothing more than Hype.

He would have won in PRIDE, he was closer to finishing the fight. Believe it.

[derubermensch]

This thread makes zero sense because Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira has not been mentioned. You can't even start talking about Anderson and (arguably) GSP before Minotauro.

[chuck]

Tanner is his biggest win, Loiseau was never "elite", he was decent... but he failed at making it to the next level.

Franklin lost to Okami, screw the 10-point must system.

yup agree about Loiseau. Very good B Level fighter.

[Necrocide]

This thread makes zero sense because Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira has not been mentioned. You can't even start talking about Anderson and (arguably) GSP before Minotauro.


Considering Fedor is the only guy to really have Big Nog's number, he certainly deserves to be in the discussion.

Still, given that Fedor only has one (bogus) loss on his resume, along with about a million Sambo championships in addition to his MMA resume, I'm not sure how anybody could logically figure somebody else in to the top spot.

[Left Hook]

When GSP beat him the 1st time, Hughes was well in his prime. 2nd time? That's debatable.

As far as Franklin, he's nothing more than a UFC hype machine to resurrect 185. He beaten no one, absolutely no one.

Hughes in his prime wasn't that great. He has always been one dimensional. His legend grew against mediocre competition.

[Left Hook]

Considering Fedor is the only guy to really have Big Nog's number, he certainly deserves to be in the discussion.

Still, given that Fedor only has one (bogus) loss on his resume, along with about a million Sambo championships in addition to his MMA resume, I'm not sure how anybody could logically figure somebody else in to the top spot.

I agree, but Nog has two problems. One Fedor making him look small and his inability to really dominate. It is why he lost to Josh. He is not dominate though he would be my second best MMA fighter.

[turbozed]

Barnett beats Nogueira 50% of the time. Doesn't mean Barnett has Nogueira's number, but it's not like it's Fedor, Nogueira, then the field in HW. Barnett is close if not even with Nog.

[Phla Les]

Barnett beats Nogueira 50% of the time. Doesn't mean Barnett has Nogueira's number, but it's not like it's Fedor, Nogueira, then the field in HW. Barnett is close if not even with Nog.

I like Josh much better than Nog, but Nog > Josh based on their 2 fights. I thought Nog got robbed in their GP match, and at the very worst it was a RAZOR thin decision. Nog won convincingly in the rematch.

Barnett has to sharpen his boxing skills a lot before he can convincingly beat Nog.

[derubermensch]

Considering Fedor is the only guy to really have Big Nog's number, he certainly deserves to be in the discussion.

Still, given that Fedor only has one (bogus) loss on his resume, along with about a million Sambo championships in addition to his MMA resume, I'm not sure how anybody could logically figure somebody else in to the top spot.

Cut out the Sambo

I agree, but Nog has two problems. One Fedor making him look small and his inability to really dominate.

Irrelevant.

Barnett beats Nogueira 50% of the time.

Assertion.

Edit: and Irrelevant.

[Left Hook]

How is Nog's inability to dominate irrelevant? Fedor just beat a man that thrashed Nog for two rounds.

[derubermensch]

How is Nog's inability to dominate irrelevant? Fedor just beat a man that thrashed Nog for two rounds.

So did Mirko. What does this have to do with anything?

[Left Hook]

In a question of greatness, how you get the job done is very, very relevant. Fedor beats people with ease. Making them look more then ordinary. Nog gets his ass kicked and in the case of his fight with Mirko, had to cheat. Perhaps it would matter less if Nog could beat Fedor, but he hasn't and never will.

[derubermensch]

In a question of greatness, how you get the job done is very, very relevant

Why? How is this more important than being generally effective, i.e, winning? Why does this criteria only apply to wins?

[Left Hook]

Because we are discussing fighters who are generally effective and win.

[derubermensch]

Because we are discussing fighters who are generally effective and win.

No, we're considering fighters in the running for greatest of all time. You argued how a fighter a wins is a relevant criteria, I diverged. You seem to now agree with me since 'generally effective' subsumes the aesthetics of domination, especially when you know full well I'm talking "what" not "how".

[Left Hook]

Not exactly sure what you meant there. But my point was that you have to meant a certain criteria, i.e. winning and being generally effective. However once there other things come into play.