Just saw Baloney and Chonan and all I can say is.. [Archive]

eMpEr0r

07-19-2005, 10:47 PM

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HOLY PRE-MATURE STOPPAGE BATMAN!!!!

I am dead fucking serious, too.

Chonan must have angered someone in DSE, cuz he got shafted. Flame away, nuthuggers. That shit was premature.

KD=KO

07-19-2005, 10:49 PM

Chonan sucks. Baroni is not even close to top 10 and he exposed Chonan. You can't block punches with your face.

eMpEr0r

07-19-2005, 10:49 PM

And dont give me that shit that he was on the ground a minute after the fight was over, cuz the docs make them. Chonan was getting up the second after he hit the ground.

I fucking hate Phil Baloni. Pride, PLEASE feed him to Wandy.

adamn

07-19-2005, 10:50 PM

Haven't seen it yet, and I'm not wasting $20 on a ppv. link???

eMpEr0r

07-19-2005, 10:50 PM

Chonan sucks. Baroni is not even close to top 10 and he exposed Chonan. You can't block punches with your face.

Seen the fight yet? He got tapped in the face, went down, arms and legs ready to defend, and ref stops it. Yopu can say Chonan sucks, but that was early stoppage.

eMpEr0r

07-19-2005, 10:51 PM

Haven't seen it yet, and I'm not wasting $20 on a ppv. link???

Check the other thread. JSC posted a link.

KD=KO

07-19-2005, 10:53 PM

Seen the fight yet? He got tapped in the face, went down, arms and legs ready to defend, and ref stops it. Yopu can say Chonan sucks, but that was early stoppage.

Yes, I watched the fight. While Chonan was chopping away at Baroni's legs he was finding his range with punches. Chonan walked forward into a hard hook and straight, and went down. Chonan was going to get hurt if it wasn't stopped that early.

eMpEr0r

07-19-2005, 10:57 PM

Yes, I watched the fight. While Chonan was chopping away at Baroni's legs he was finding his range with punches. Chonan walked forward into a hard hook and straight, and went down. Chonan was going to get hurt if it wasn't stopped that early.

Nah, Chonan would have pulled guard, Baroni's last trickle of gas would have expired, and Ryo would have subbed his whack ass. FUCK BARONI! We thought he might have learned something about humility and respect from getting pwned in UFC, and now I have to watch his flaming gay ass strut around in Pride. FUCK!!!!

KD=KO

07-19-2005, 11:02 PM

I believe this just reinforces the point that Hammer House trains the best stand-up fighters in Mixed Martial Arts.

Randleman's stand-up was clearly superior to Cro-Cop's, and even KO'd the bigger, more game, K-1 superstar.

Phil dropped a Pride's up and coming MW prospect with two punches. He didn't even break a sweat.

dude

07-19-2005, 11:11 PM

Dredd

07-20-2005, 12:44 AM

Word he gave Chonan the 1,2...sadly if you watch the post interview, Baloni is cocky as fuck...

He always has been.

"I am the fucking best, I AM THE FUCKING BEST!"

JSC

07-20-2005, 12:56 AM

His comments about coming to Pride to fight the worlds best made me a chuckle a bit. It may have just slipped his mind that Lindland, Tanner, and Sell are all still in the UFC.

my sex is artsy

07-20-2005, 01:34 AM

If Chonan was still "in" the fight so to speak...how did Phil still punch him in the head, undefended, with the ref on his back? While I can see your gripe, Baroni would've punched the shit out of him, or stood up and stomped him. I don't disagree with the refs call.

DuFF BooZe

07-20-2005, 01:39 AM

Baroni won, Chonan lost. I agree that Baroni is an ass a lot of the time, but he did look impressive in this fight. he looked much more impressive against Chonan than Minowa.

DuFF BooZe

07-20-2005, 01:42 AM

Chonan didn't seem to take Baroni seriously, and paid dearly for it. you can't leave your hands down while someone is throwing and landing bombs on your face.

Bishop

07-20-2005, 01:58 AM

I didn't see Chonan complaining

remy

07-20-2005, 02:05 AM

*cough* *pride doesnt test* *cough*

Dr Drunkenstein

07-20-2005, 03:17 AM

War BRONI!

Ole_Chilli

07-20-2005, 03:24 AM

Chonan sucks. Baroni is not even close to top 10 and he exposed Chonan. You can't block punches with your face.

I wondered who trained him to fight with his hands down !

( o Y o )

07-20-2005, 03:54 AM

You can't block punches with your face.

Tell that to Gomi.

Actually, while I am all for stopping a fighter taking unnecessary damage after they are done, I did live, and do after watching it on video too, believe it was a little early. Chonan was readying to defend an onslaught and already had ahold of one of Phil's legs. The result may not have changed, but I think the ref paniced when one of his buddies went down.

If Phil had have been a little smarter he'd have rushed in with soccerkicks/stomps to leave no doubt..

The Kraken

07-20-2005, 04:25 AM

Tits says it best I think. And Gomi's going to get knocked out sooner or later. I don't like it but there it is. Baroni may be the one to do it unfortunately.

elbowsmash

07-20-2005, 04:37 AM

gomi's head > cement

azerado's hit him with that huge shot in the beginning of the fight, i can't believe he shrugged it off

i think baroni can ko him, but i dont think they'll ever fight

dunno if any LW's can ko gomi though

Bishop

07-20-2005, 04:39 AM

dunno if any LW's can ko gomi though
Yves
Ludwig
Hansen

honestly, that's not alot

07-20-2005, 07:04 AM

Chonan got tagged, dude. Hate to say it but your arguement is doesnt work. Chonan got tagged with a quick 1-2 that dropped his ass. he would have got nailed on further more. Chonan didnt look like he was doing much complaining, so on behalf of me and dyno....

Giant Robot

07-20-2005, 07:15 AM

I fucking hate Phil Baloni. Pride, PLEASE feed him to Wandy.
or crocop.

DuFF BooZe

07-20-2005, 10:46 AM

*cough* *pride doesnt test* *cough*

good point.

remy

07-20-2005, 04:07 PM

Yves
Ludwig
Hansen

honestly, that's not alot

kawajiri:

takedown
pass guard
mount
pound
KO

eMpEr0r

07-20-2005, 04:23 PM

[QUOTE=KD=KO]I believe this just reinforces the point that Hammer House trains the best stand-up fighters in Mixed Martial Arts.

QUOTE]

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! HOOOHOOOOOOOHO!!!!!!!!

eMpEr0r

07-20-2005, 04:25 PM

[QUOTE=my sex is artsy]If Chonan was still "in" the fight so to speak...how did Phil still punch him in the head, undefended, with the ref on his back? QUOTE]

I don't think Baroni connected on the ground, as the ref stopped it TOO FUCKIN EARLY.

my sex is artsy

07-20-2005, 04:27 PM

I don't think Baroni connected on the ground, as the ref stopped it TOO FUCKIN EARLY.

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eMpEr0r

07-20-2005, 04:30 PM

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Always easier to post a funny pic than it is to address the subject matter, innit!?!?!

Baroni didnt hit Chonan on the ground, so your above statement is incorrect.

BigJ383

07-20-2005, 04:33 PM

I don't think Baroni connected on the ground, as the ref stopped it TOO FUCKIN EARLY.
Chonan didn't even try to pull guard he was out. He may not of been lifeless but he didn't know what was going on.

my sex is artsy

07-20-2005, 04:34 PM

Always easier to post a funny pic than it is to address the subject matter, innit!?!?!

Baroni didnt hit Chonan on the ground, so your above statement is incorrect.

My point was that Chonan wasn't aware that shot was coming. If the ref didn't jump on Baroni, he would've thrown about 4 more punches, held Chonan's head down, and started booting him just like he did to Minowa. Do I think the fight could've been stopped a little later? Sure. But Chonan got fucking 1-2'd, and he went down awkwardly like he was already KO'd. Refs see that shit, and they jump on it. Same thing as TAISHO/Pulver at the last Bushido. If Chonan reeled back and fell down, one thing. But he flopped over like he was toast. Its justifiable that the ref jumped in. Maybe your man just should've realized Baroni's got megaton fists, and shouldn't have got smashed in the face?

eMpEr0r

07-20-2005, 04:43 PM

My point was that Chonan wasn't aware that shot was coming. If the ref didn't jump on Baroni, he would've thrown about 4 more punches, held Chonan's head down, and started booting him just like he did to Minowa. Do I think the fight could've been stopped a little later? Sure. But Chonan got fucking 1-2'd, and he went down awkwardly like he was already KO'd. Refs see that shit, and they jump on it. Same thing as TAISHO/Pulver at the last Bushido. If Chonan reeled back and fell down, one thing. But he flopped over like he was toast. Its justifiable that the ref jumped in. Maybe your man just should've realized Baroni's got megaton fists, and shouldn't have got smashed in the face?

Ah, I suppose you are right. And yes, I am blinded by my utter disdain for Baloni and all of his bullshit. I HATE HIM! I thought that he might have matured after being humiliated in UFC on several occasions, but now here his is in Pride acting like a 15 year old again. Please, please DSE, feed him to Silva.

my sex is artsy

07-20-2005, 04:44 PM

Ah, I suppose you are right. And yes, I am blinded by my utter disdain for Baloni and all of his bullshit. I HATE HIM! I thought that he might have matured after being humiliated in UFC on several occasions, but now here his is in Pride acting like a 15 year old again. Please, please DSE, feed him to Silva.

The only person I can see beating Baroni in the WW GP is Acacio.

eMpEr0r

07-20-2005, 04:44 PM

Chonan didn't even try to pull guard he was out. He may not of been lifeless but he didn't know what was going on.

Um, yeah he did try to pull guard. Didnt have much of a chance to do anything, which is my whole point entirely. I have seen many fighters recover and win from much worse, and anyone who cant at least concede that point is bullshitting.

ashrael

07-20-2005, 04:46 PM

I didn't see Chonan complaining

I thought it was a little early, but as Bishop said, Chonan didn't complain so I guess he really was out.

Rasengan

07-20-2005, 05:46 PM

Yves
Ludwig
Hansen

honestly, that's not alot

lol at your list...yves lost to Kawajiri, Sato, and Uno all of whom are Japan's top grapplers and not known for their striking...Gomi is equal to Kawajiri and beat Uno in a great wrestling match

Ludwig?!? Sudo beat him contrarty to UFC ref's beliefs...Ludwig isn't even top 10 in LW MMA

Hansen, most likely...his heat seeking knee always finds its mark but against strong grapplers he gets dominated early on in each fight until he lands that knee...would be very interesting

the fact that you mentioned yves and especially ludwig but no Kawajiri makes me wonder

Bishop

07-20-2005, 09:55 PM

lol at your list...yves lost to Kawajiri, Sato, and Uno all of whom are Japan's top grapplers and not known for their striking...Gomi is equal to Kawajiri and beat Uno in a great wrestling match

Ludwig?!? Sudo beat him contrarty to UFC ref's beliefs...Ludwig isn't even top 10 in LW MMA

Hansen, most likely...his heat seeking knee always finds its mark but against strong grapplers he gets dominated early on in each fight until he lands that knee...would be very interesting

the fact that you mentioned yves and especially ludwig but no Kawajiri makes me wonder
the question was: "who in Gomi's weight class can knock him out"

are you telling me those guys on my short list can't knock Gomi out? check yo self foo

Rasengan

07-20-2005, 11:11 PM

the question was: "who in Gomi's weight class can knock him out"

are you telling me those guys on my short list can't knock Gomi out? check yo self foo

you're right, my bad, sometimes my illiteracy gets the best of me :o

in retrospect, if we're just talking about who can KO Gomi then i'd have to say anyone has a puncher's chance, as slight as that may be...if Pulver and Hansen couldn't KO him, i'm not quite sure anyone else has a better chance than Kawajiri

07-20-2005, 11:13 PM

Gomi has a pretty good chin though, with that massive melon of his. gonna be pretty hard to knock that guy out.

TILSON

07-21-2005, 03:56 PM

Well for a early stoppage Chonan definately spent a long time on his back with the doctors looking at him.

I wished they would have let Phill finish him but in all honesty what would that have proved?

eMpEr0r

07-21-2005, 05:34 PM

Well for a early stoppage Chonan definately spent a long time on his back with the doctors looking at him.

Goddamit, you know better than this. The doctors MAKE you stay down. He was already getting up within 5 seconds of being knocked down and the ref stopping it, and his team and the doctors made him lie down. Nigga plz.

TILSON

07-21-2005, 06:09 PM

Goddamit, you know better than this. The doctors MAKE you stay down. He was already getting up within 5 seconds of being knocked down and the ref stopping it, and his team and the doctors made him lie down. Nigga plz.

Yea true but he was down longer than normal. i am pretty sure that he was answering the questions wrong.

CHH

07-21-2005, 06:32 PM

I dig Chonan sort of, and HATE HATE HATE bologna, but I think it was a legit stoppage. Chonan was just laying on his side, then in an unconscious daze rolled to his back when he saw Shittalker was rushing him. It was an OK stoppage in my opinion.

07-22-2005, 03:07 AM

Yea true but he was down longer than normal. i am pretty sure that he was answering the questions wrong.

dont bother TILSON. look at his reps then look at yours. nuff said. :cool:

eMpEr0r

07-22-2005, 03:43 PM

dont bother TILSON. look at his reps then look at yours. nuff said. :cool:

Your mom's box, poopdick.

07-22-2005, 06:07 PM

Your mom's box, poopdick.

he-man > skelewhore

derubermensch

07-23-2005, 12:18 AM

If Chonan wasn't smart enough to immediately try for a takedown of some sort, then hell to him

Alfuh

07-23-2005, 05:21 AM

Chonan faked a right then before he could come in with his left hook (which the right was setting up) BaRoni stamped him with the 1 2. Impressive win by Baroni and a legit stoppage to boot. Now if only he would stop acting like a total ass anytime he wins ...

07-23-2005, 09:13 AM

why should he stop acting like an ass? thats what is gaining him popularity. he is playing the exact character PRIDE wants. hes just doing his job and quite frankly, its working over there. he acts like an ass then goes and backs it up.

pants

07-23-2005, 09:46 AM

It makes me sad everytime baroni wins :(

uberfighter

07-23-2005, 03:16 PM

i think chonan getting tagged square in the mouth in the first exchange set the tone for the whole fight. he was hurt and started playing footsy to keep the distance...he got scarred of the punches. the only problem was that baroni is stupid and so willingly took the chopping kicks to set up counterpunches. i think chonans gameplan could have potentially taken its toll on baroni, but he punches simply much too hard, and that spelled disaster for chonan. chonan should have shot. i don't think it would have really worked, as baroni looked much stronger than him. and i don't dispute the stoppage. i thought ryo was out cold when he fell, and the ref did too.

uberfighter

07-23-2005, 03:17 PM

and shame on whoever it was who used yves losses against him. there is little to compare between the yves of 2 years ago and the yves of today. his game has improved by leaps and bounds.

personally i'd like to see josh thomson fight gomi. that fight would be a pants-wetter for sure.

Ratt

07-23-2005, 07:23 PM

Chonan looked terrbile in that fight, I'm thinking you might want to train a bit before you fight.

catch-as-catch can

07-24-2005, 10:39 PM

Chonan was definitely dazed and the ref blocked Baroni immediately as baroni rushed. No doubt Chonan has good recovery but he would have got tagged with a few more hard shots and that's why the ref stopped it. Personally, I would have liked to see it and had they fought in UFC, it might not have been stopped that quickly. In Pride, lately, when a fighter goes down from a blow, the refs have a tendency to stop the fight before the fighter gets more damaged ( especially, when the fighter being downed happens to be Japanese). The exception is when the ref feels the fighter is in a position to defend himself and is able to come back. Apparently, the ref felt that Chonan was hurt enough. He is afterall a huge moneymaker for Bushido and they want to see him fight again.

Mad Processor

07-25-2005, 08:31 PM

J. Walter Weatherman

07-25-2005, 08:49 PM

Seen the fight yet? He got tapped in the face, went down, arms and legs ready to defend, and ref stops it. Yopu can say Chonan sucks, but that was early stoppage.

Ready to defend my ass. He was done. Baroni even hesitated for a moment(albiet, not a long moment) and Chonan didn't recover and the ref made a good call by jumping in there before he got hurt.

Doctor

07-25-2005, 08:51 PM

baroni is the man, but that was premature

J. Walter Weatherman

07-25-2005, 08:52 PM

baroni is the man, but that was premature

I disagree completely. Baroni is not the man. It was a little premature, but you saw what he did to Minowa when they failed to stop that fight.