View Full Version : Eliminations line up so far.
( o Y o )
08-01-2005, 02:09 AM
2 more members to go, one will be the next LV event Champion, and one will be a personal invite by FEG (probably/possibly Fujimoto)
Here is a look at all so far and the first two match ups announced.
http://kakutougi.info/content/view/182/
elbowsmash
08-01-2005, 02:13 AM
my av will show you the next K1 gp champ
if semmy gets eliminated...
then we will see the best dancing ever seen in the history of K1
GO TECHNO GIANT~!
Bishop
08-01-2005, 02:15 AM
I sure hope fujimoto gets in to the GP Opening round, but would most likely face Remy Bonjaski
Sapp/Choi isn't a "freakshow" type match to me. Choi can fight and Sapp has definately improved. this is just to ensure that one of the big men move on, much like Giant Silva/Miller from the Pride HW GP. hope Choi moves on though
what's the story behind KK/Sefo? why are they paired so far in advance?
I would also expect to see Botha vs. either LeBanner or Aerts in the opening round, but I prefer Botha vs. either Mo or Goodridge....unless it's the blind draw
Schilt vs. Hoost is a possibility and I would expect Musashi to get the easy road facing Feitosa, who looked great winning the Bellagio tournament earlier
^ sorry, I would expect Musashi to face the very weak looking field of the LV tournament
( o Y o )
08-01-2005, 02:37 AM
I sure hope fujimoto gets in to the GP Opening round, but would most likely face Remy Bonjaski
Good point....they wouldn`t put him up against someone easy.
Sapp/Choi isn't a "freakshow" type match to me. Choi can fight and Sapp has definately improved. this is just to ensure that one of the big men move on, much like Giant Silva/Miller from the Pride HW GP. hope Choi moves on though
True, it really isn`t that bad....last year we had Remy vs Akebono remember.
I must admit though, I see Choi getting KO'd here. He has yet to be hit with anything powerful or to taste lowkicks at all. Greco is still working with Sapp and Sapp is not making movies, on TV all the time, or doing wrestling every second week now. I expect he will come in prepared to throw down hard.
what's the story behind KK/Sefo? why are they paired so far in advance?
I think this is just two things combined. One is that Ray was in Japan at the time it was announced, the other being K-1 want someone to KO Kaoklai and Sefo is one of the smaller and faster guys. You read people, without thinking, all over saying he couldn`t KO Musashi or catch him which is true, but the difference is that Musashi fight was one where he needed to conserve energy for his next fight. Against Kaoklai he has nothing to go to afterwards but his hotel room.
Bishop
08-01-2005, 03:45 AM
I think this is just two things combined. One is that Ray was in Japan at the time it was announced, the other being K-1 want someone to KO Kaoklai and Sefo is one of the smaller and faster guy
this is where i'm confused, why do they want KK ko'ed? are they trying to send a message to thai/smaller fighters?
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-01-2005, 04:20 AM
this is where i'm confused, why do they want KK ko'ed? are they trying to send a message to thai/smaller fighters?
Yeah. Stop running and fight! If not, the matchmakers will make you pay.
This is the whole Dewey Cooper argument that will never cease to resurface. Running is a decent survival strategy but the promoters are trying to sell tickets. Running will not attract ticket buyers. That is why the K-1 Hawaii was set up with big ham-fisted beginners. It wasn't in anyones nature to cheat the fans out of their 9 minutes.
( o Y o )
08-01-2005, 01:21 PM
CKO, that about nails it. Hit and run is not something K-1 wants to see unles the runner is japanese and is being really sucessful at it.
it is looking quite good to me right now actually. it is my opinion that Sapp will take his head off with a big haymaker. dont get me wrong though, i dont mind seeing Choi in there. i just dont think he will get through Sapp, especially a newly serious about fighting Sapp. Sefo will destroy Kaoklai. it was stated above why. he doesnt have shit to worry about, except a few drinks and hitting the bed after the fight. hes gonna unload on him. as of now though my pick to take it is Semmy. hes got a big lanky body, with power, and skill to go with that reach and size. i think people will have a tough tough time with him.
derubermensch
08-01-2005, 07:24 PM
it is looking quite good to me right now actually. it is my opinion that Sapp will take his head off with a big haymaker. dont get me wrong though, i dont mind seeing Choi in there. i just dont think he will get through Sapp, especially a newly serious about fighting Sapp. Sefo will destroy Kaoklai. it was stated above why. he doesnt have shit to worry about, except a few drinks and hitting the bed after the fight. hes gonna unload on him. as of now though my pick to take it is Semmy. hes got a big lanky body, with power, and skill to go with that reach and size. i think people will have a tough tough time with him.
So Schilt is the new Lennox Lewis of kickboxing?
Bishop
08-01-2005, 09:40 PM
another year, another GP, and once again, i'm going with Musashi
So Schilt is the new Lennox Lewis of kickboxing?
heh, i guess you could say that. he was also a big bastard with madd reach and skill. Schilt gave people problems getting in close with that front kick and his jabs. hes already beat some of the best just because of that.
( o Y o )
08-02-2005, 07:04 AM
Semmy has a real problem with power though, so they'll probably put him against Mo. They do not want him in Tokyo.
Bishop
08-02-2005, 07:05 AM
do you think the possibility of aerts vs. botha could happen at the opening round? I can't believe the winner of the very weak LV field will get a slot. I'd give it to Peter Graham just because he kicks ass
well, im sure most know i wouldnt have a problem if Mo did take him out :)
( o Y o )
08-02-2005, 07:13 AM
do you think the possibility of aerts vs. botha could happen at the opening round? I can't believe the winner of the very weak LV field will get a slot. I'd give it to Peter Graham just because he kicks ass
Aerts vs Both probably wont happen as for the large part they put the qualifiers against the qualified (last years GP fighters), and they already have two guys (sefo and Kaoklai) against each other.....putting 4 of last years top 8 against each other means 2 noobs that may not have the name recognition to sell ratings on TV.
The LV feild for me is no better or worse than the latest Hawaii card, and if McD pulls it off again for the hundredth time, he always desevres to be at the Elims.
Graham will not ever get a gift from K-1....ever. Right now he is tied up in a 4 way round robin K-1 NZ event (first round finished last weekend and he beat Rays young bro, Rony), that will run until December or so.....he will not get back in K-1 without winning it, or withou some serious sucking up to kyokushin.
derubermensch
08-02-2005, 07:24 AM
Semmy has a real problem with power though, so they'll probably put him against Mo. They do not want him in Tokyo.
Really? Why?
Bishop
08-02-2005, 07:25 AM
The LV feild for me is no better or worse than the latest Hawaii card, and if McD pulls it off again for the hundredth time, he always desevres to be at the Elims.
was the reason for McDonald pulling out of the Hawaii GP have something to do with the LV GP being very weak? besides injury that is
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-02-2005, 07:37 AM
Really? Why?
He is closely linked with Bas Boon. They both recently got seido kaikan blackbelts in an attempt to mend bridges.
Also, keep in mind that the K-1 changed the knee rule in response to Schilt using the clinch excessively.
Lastly, they paid him off in 2002 to step out and give his place to Hoost. You don't really belive that nonsense about the bowling injury, do you?
derubermensch
08-02-2005, 08:01 AM
He is closely linked with Bas Boon. They both recently got seido kaikan blackbelts in an attempt to mend bridges.
Also, keep in mind that the K-1 changed the knee rule in response to Schilt using the clinch excessively.
Lastly, they paid him off in 2002 to step out and give his place to Hoost. You don't really belive that nonsense about the bowling injury, do you?
I don't really follow HW K-1, so why the beef with Bas Boon and Schilt winning the GP because of this connection?
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-02-2005, 08:09 AM
Bas was closely linked to Superleague. He denies this now. He also tried to power negotiate with the K-1 with Stefan Leko. The K-1 really hates these kinds of power moves and dumped Leko and anyone else associated with Bas.
Bas isn't a bad business man and he managed to keep his stable together and rebuild the relationship with K-1. Remember Harinck? He still hasn't recovered from his power move in 2001 and likely never will.
Bishop
08-02-2005, 08:15 AM
why is Bjorn Bregy (K-1 Scandinavian GP Champ) left out of the Opening round? I'd assume they hold these tournaments for the winner to get an automatic bid into the Opening round. did Bregy give up his spot to Hoost? did Bregy just get screwed? did the Scandinavian tournament not count at all?
I need some answers here
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-02-2005, 08:42 AM
Bjorn is just getting screwed. It happened to Dudko. It happened to Graham. I knew he wasn't going to the eliminations, but I did expect him to earn a place in Vegas.
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-02-2005, 09:00 AM
Food for thought.
The eliminations will likely be one 2004 fighter short. Botha and Siliga will likely end in a KO in Vegas.
Bishop
08-02-2005, 07:38 PM
Bjorn is just getting screwed. It happened to Graham. I knew he wasn't going to the eliminations, but I did expect him to earn a place in Vegas.
Graham did luck out and get in to the 2003 Eliminations then the Final round. how was Greco there? I dunno. how was Filho there? I dunno.
they should base who goes to the Opening/Elimination round with winners of each tournament....at least 6-8 of them and the other spots being handed out to the deserving and the defending champion.
as for Bregy, he should have at least been part of another tournament, like you said. winning the Scandinavian GP did nothing for him
( o Y o )
08-03-2005, 03:27 AM
was the reason for McDonald pulling out of the Hawaii GP have something to do with the LV GP being very weak? besides injury that is
McD was never actually IN the Hawaii GP, that was just a lot of talk by people that couldn't read the Japanese K-1 site and mistakenly guessed the Hawaii GP was the USA GP with just a location change, when in fact it was the Continental GP that was initially rumoured to go down in China.
McD did drop out of the prior LV GP due to injury though. The one back in April/May.
( o Y o )
08-03-2005, 03:30 AM
Food for thought.
The eliminations will likely be one 2004 fighter short. Botha and Siliga will likely end in a KO in Vegas.
KO or not I think they'll both be there unless injury holds them out. I seem to recall there being a whole lot of talk about Sefo not be able to fight in the Elims after his post bout brawl with Eastman and the ongoing enquiry into it, but he was there.
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-03-2005, 04:03 AM
KO or not I think they'll both be there unless injury holds them out. I seem to recall there being a whole lot of talk about Sefo not be able to fight in the Elims after his post bout brawl with Eastman and the ongoing enquiry into it, but he was there.
I'm sure the K-1 will make a case with the Nevada athletic commission to keep the medical suspension to 30 days. In retrospect, it didn't do Carter much good in 2004. He got KOed by Ignashov 3/27 and then again by Mo 4/30.
( o Y o )
08-03-2005, 04:20 AM
You are correct, what is good for the fighter (as opposed to their bank account) matters not in the face or TV ratings.
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-03-2005, 05:01 AM
Anyway, unless the K-1 can manipulate the length of the suspension, one of the fighters will not be in Osaka. I can't see either disobeying the Nevada Commisssion. Mo is too new and may return to Nevada if the K-1 stint doesn't pan out. Botha knows too many people in Vegas to pretend he doesn't know the severity of the Commish. Lastly, the K-1 themselves don't need Marc Ratner to get in a bad mood and introduce the 1/4 point system or the no low kick rule.
hopefully Botha can figure a way out of the suspension, cause id like to see both fighters in the final 16. Woah, there i go predicting the future again.
CentralKickboxing.Org
08-03-2005, 08:51 AM
LOL. That will be a great fight. I know it will make your day if Mo does it again. They should change his nickname to Magic Mo. He has overcome unbleiveable odds.
ive been a fan of his since he fought Hori in Japan. i just likes how he was a slugger, but was just, i dunno, a step above the sluggers. has had incredible timing, and a great jab. people know the big right is coming, but only Kaoklai and Cooper have had the answer to that with their speed. i really hope he can break the final 4 this year. if anything it would be good for the USA to finally have a guy go deep.
Pro shoot
08-03-2005, 04:53 PM
Looks like Kaoklai is out this time.
WAR Aerts!
Kaoklai will be KO by Sefo in the final 16.
Pro shoot
08-03-2005, 07:48 PM
I picked Sefo to win world GP 2004. Kaoklais match are always very hard to judge because he just mostly run around his opponent.
yeah. good thing with Sefo, is he isnt all that slow, will take any shots he happens to land, and is gonna be throwing fast powerful punches of his own. Sefo can exhaust all his energy in this fight, and its going to be brutal.
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