Fantasy: Pac-Hamed

[BADrew]

I greatly enjoy fantasy matchups. This is one that I wish I had gotten to see. Hamed and Manny both have the combination of being smaller, killer punching featherweights with explosive hand speed. Alot of people don't give Hamed credit for being a serious fighter but those people are, well they're morons. The big difference in style between these 2 fighters is their aggression. Pac goes directly toward his opponent and Hamed is patient and capitalizes on mistakes. Opinions?

[CROKICK]

I think Pac would be over agressive and eat Hameds Uppercuts(best Ive seen at Fw and maybe ever) on the way in and be KOed brutally. I think Hameds toughness is underrated and the only people who would beat him are those who are patient and top level boxers. Manny is neither. Pac is tough too and could hit hard but Hamed is the hardest hitting FW in history IMO, yes, harder than Lopez. There power isnt on the same level and I see Hamed KOing him sooner or later. Drew, have you noticed that alot of people dont think Hamed had good quality of opposition? Isnt that a joke? Dude fought alot of top guys in his day but everyone just wants to criticize him, especially brits it seems. Too bad.

[elgigante]

I could see it something along the lines of the Kevin Kelley/Hamed fight except Hamed would be stunned a bit more from a Pac knockdown and have to really be on it defensively until his head cleared. After an initail knockdown Hamed would get it together and Knockout Manny in 5 with good counterpunching against the hyper agressive Pacman

[Shaolin Bushido]

Hamed would knock Pac the fuck out. You'd see a REAL KO punch in Hamed's fucken hammers. Pac's tough, relentless and an action fighter but I just think Hamed's punch would tell in this match-up. Despite some posters on other boxing forums' objections Pac IS more of a volume type puncher than a KO artist.

[BADrew]

I have more faith in Pac's ability to take a punch after the Morales fight. amed did have a chin on him. He often fell b/c he got hit off balance but I never saw the guy really hurt once. This would have been a great fight.

Cro, as I've said a million times man, anyone who thinks Hamed's Qual of opp is bad knows NOTHING about boxing. Next thing they'll tell me is that ODLH and Terry Norris have bad opposition

[LozanoJ1985]

thats not a fantasy it's a nightmare

[BADrew]

thats not a fantasy it's a nightmare

Care to give a more detailed explanation?

[too short]

I think Pac would be over agressive and eat Hameds Uppercuts(best Ive seen at Fw and maybe ever) on the way in and be KOed brutally. I think Hameds toughness is underrated and the only people who would beat him are those who are patient and top level boxers. Manny is neither. Pac is tough too and could hit hard but Hamed is the hardest hitting FW in history IMO, yes, harder than Lopez. There power isnt on the same level and I see Hamed KOing him sooner or later. Drew, have you noticed that alot of people dont think Hamed had good quality of opposition? Isnt that a joke? Dude fought alot of top guys in his day but everyone just wants to criticize him, especially brits it seems. Too bad.I disagree,barrera took some of hamed's best shots without really being hurt,I dont know you can come up with senario of knocking pac out but hamed did have a great upercut and a different style I liked with some powwer to back it up

[CROKICK]

I disagree,barrera took some hamed's best shots without really being hurt,I dont know you can come up with senario of knocking pac out but hamed did have a great upercut and a different style I liked with some powwer to back it up
Some power? I just said hes the hardest hitting FW ever. I dont think too many people will disagree. Also Saddler and Lopez hit hard but not as hard IMO. He didnt hit Barrera with his best shots if he did, he would have won. He fought a bad fight and lost. MAB is a great fighter, no shame in losing to him.

[too short]

Some power? I just said hes the hardest hitting FW ever. I dont think too many people will disagree. Also Saddler and Lopez hit hard but not as hard IMO. He didnt hit Barrera with his best shots if he did, he would have won. He fought a bad fight and lost. MAB is a great fighter, no shame in losing to him.I think he did have power,the hardest fw puncher ever thats up in the air and I never said losing to MAB was a bad thing,if you want to talk about a canidate for hardest punching featherweight, I think its the guy in your avatar

[BADrew]

I still think Arguello hit harder than Hamed, but Naseem had freakish power that only Wayne "my head is made of rock" McCullough took and survived. I don't remember him ever landing a hard, clean blow on Barerra. But no doubt Hamed had the power to hurt Marco. McKinney and Jones hurt Barerra and Naz hit harder than both. Styles make fights. Morales beat Pac and murdered Junior Jones. Both beat up Barerra but Marco got the best of Morales. Styles make fights.

[Shaolin Bushido]

I can't believe more posters aren't giving credence to the fact that other factors contributed to Barrera's loss to Pacquiao besides Pac's superiority and/or Barrera's degree of shot-ness.

There was tons of turmoil leading up to that fight and the performance Barrera turned in is uncharacteristic to say the least.

[too short]

I can't believe more posters aren't giving credence to the fact that other factors contributed to Barrera's loss to Pacquiao besides Pac's superiority and/or Barrera's degree of shot-ness.

There was tons of turmoil leading up to that fight and the performance Barrera turned in is uncharacteristic to say the least.I could say pac lost to morales because of a really bad cut due to a headbutt,no one will credence to that, so why should they give if MAB and btw every body is acting like morales beat the shit and out classed pac,morales did win but by a round or two,what if the tables were turned and morales had the bad cut.no will give credence to that either

[CROKICK]

I still think Arguello hit harder than Hamed, but Naseem had freakish power that only Wayne "my head is made of rock" McCullough took and survived. I don't remember him ever landing a hard, clean blow on Barerra. But no doubt Hamed had the power to hurt Marco. McKinney and Jones hurt Barerra and Naz hit harder than both. Styles make fights. Morales beat Pac and murdered Junior Jones. Both beat up Barerra but Marco got the best of Morales. Styles make fights.
The styles make fights thing is right on but I dont think Arguello hit harder than Hamed Drew. Arguello was a bigger guy than Hamed and that might contribute to it but I think Hamed had more one punch power than any of the other guys, Arguello included. Although Alexis had some nasty one punch LO's I look at him as more of a Trinidad style fighter who wore guys down and beat them apart. I always look at Hameds 2 inch punch on Ingle as evidence of what real power is. He didnt even wind up and it floored the dude hard.

[DrOctagon]

Hamed would win this by making Pac miss with his punches and countering him with his big unorthadox bombs. Hamed by 6-8 point margin Unanimous decision

[natecrime]

Don't know much about the subject but Hamed once asked my mum out on a date about 5 years back and I now have sgined autograph to my name.

[Maz_Boxe]

Don't know much about the subject but Hamed once asked my mum out on a date about 5 years back and I now have sgined autograph to my name.


shiit son!

[Kamehameha]

tru that styles makes fights and pac mauled barrera, almost beat morales, but his style probably wouldn't mix well w/ hamed who likes people to rush in to his bombs. I hate Hamed, and while he would be the favorite, i think pac could beat him. I'm sure Morales would destroy Hamed as well.

[DrOctagon]

Don't know much about the subject but Hamed once asked my mum out on a date about 5 years back and I now have sgined autograph to my name.

So your mom had a piece of the Prince, goddamn son that would make you royalty.

[Shaolin Bushido]

I could say pac lost to morales because of a really bad cut due to a headbutt,no one will credence to that, so why should they give if MAB and btw every body is acting like morales beat the shit and out classed pac,morales did win but by a round or two,what if the tables were turned and morales had the bad cut.no will give credence to that eitherDude, if you felt that other factors were responsible for Barrera losing to Pac or the cut played a bigger factor than most posters think in Pac/Morales ... you could be right! It's just an opinion and it doesn't matter if most, any or no one agrees with you.

You could still be right as could I concerning Barrera/Pac.

I DO think Barrera performed uncharacteristically versus Pac but even if they fought again and Barrera won it wouldn't prove me right. Two different fights at two totally different times.

I haven't seen the Morales/Pac fight yet but from all I've read most agree Morales won but that it was a hotly contested, close victory.

[DrOctagon]

I had Morales winning by 4 rounds. I scored the fight twice as well.

[natecrime]

So your mom had a piece of the Prince, goddamn son that would make you royalty.

No, nothing happened. Would of been kinda cool if something had though.

[Shaolin Bushido]

I had Morales winning by 4 rounds. I scored the fight twice as well.I scored it for Morales by 2 but I try to err on the side of the guy I want to win least. He fought well with heart. He's everything I like in a fighter. A tad too much machismo but hey ...

[Tauvington]

Dingo, is that a Rudyard Kipling poem in your sig???

[LozanoJ1985]

Care to give a more detailed explanation?


pacman is better in every aspect

[CROKICK]

pacman is better in every aspect
LOL. Yeah except power, reflexes, chin, agility, etc. Hamed has a better left and right hand. But yeah Pac is better in every aspect. :rolleyes:

[Shaolin Bushido]

Dingo, is that a Rudyard Kipling poem in your sig???Yep. "If" by Rudyard Kipling. I try to live by it ... or at least use it to get myself back outta the gutter when I'm drawn into some bs.

I ain't surprised you recognized it from somewhere. It's pretty profound.(The whole thing wouldn't fit; theres's more.)

[elgigante]

pacman is better in every aspect

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[Tauvington]

Yep. "If" by Rudyard Kipling. I try to live by it ... or at least use it to get myself back outta the gutter when I'm drawn into some bs.

I ain't surprised you recognized it from somewhere. It's pretty profound.(The whole thing wouldn't fit; theres's more.)

That's what I went to college for, man. My BA is in English with an emphasis on creative writing and literature. I read a decent amount of Kipling over the years--some of it outstanding, some of it average.

[ramelman]

Alot of people don't give Hamed credit for being a serious fighter but those people are, well they're morons.

i got to watch a few hamed fights, but this was after he'd already retired. i agree with you. people think he's all just flash and power, but the truth is that he had really good skills and reflexes. problem with a lot of people is that if a fighter doesn't fit a certain "fundamental" style, they say the fighter has little skill and relies on athleticism/power only.

besides the speed, power, reflexes, you could see him "thinking" when he fought, almost similar to the way lewis surveys his opponents. i think he should've gone for a rematch with barrera, and with the right strategy, he could ko him, as pac has.

on the topic, both pac and hamed can get reckless when they attack and smell a ko. hamed's been knocked down while going for one, as pac has. i think hamed is the better boxer and will be more comfortable fighting a southpaw than manny will; manny got confused for a while when erik switched; i don't know if he even noticed it. hamed can give pac different looks, from southpaw to orthodox. he also an excellent uppercut, which pac has been very susceptible to. pac's power only comes when he's moving forward; hamed's shown diversity, angles, and power with his punches, throwing them at awkward body possitions.

i think pac needs to fight dirty, the way mab did, in order to beat hamed, but pac isn't a dirty fighter.

i think hamed takes this. and if he hits harder than erik, who's hurt pac, maybe hamed can get the ko.

[CROKICK]

i got to watch a few hamed fights, but this was after he'd already retired. i agree with you. people think he's all just flash and power, but the truth is that he had really good skills and reflexes. problem with a lot of people is that if a fighter doesn't fit a certain "fundamental" style, they say the fighter has little skill and relies on athleticism/power only.

besides the speed, power, reflexes, you could see him "thinking" when he fought, almost similar to the way lewis surveys his opponents. i think he should've gone for a rematch with barrera, and with the right strategy, he could ko him, as pac has.

on the topic, both pac and hamed can get reckless when they attack and smell a ko. hamed's been knocked down while going for one, as pac has. i think hamed is the better boxer and will be more comfortable fighting a southpaw than manny will; manny got confused for a while when erik switched; i don't know if he even noticed it. hamed can give pac different looks, from southpaw to orthodox. he also an excellent uppercut, which pac has been very susceptible to. pac's power only comes when he's moving forward; hamed's shown diversity, angles, and power with his punches, throwing them at awkward body possitions.

i think pac needs to fight dirty, the way mab did, in order to beat hamed, but pac isn't a dirty fighter.

i think hamed takes this. and if he hits harder than erik, who's hurt pac, maybe hamed can get the ko.

Good post. And to answer youre question he hits loads harder than Morales. Hameds power at FW>Danny Lopezs power at FW. And thats saying something.

[ramelman]

thanks. btw, why didn't hamed and morales ever fight? i'm assuming they were at least pretty close in weight?

[CROKICK]

thanks. btw, why didn't hamed and morales ever fight? i'm assuming they were at least pretty close in weight?
Yeah, they were both FW's. Hamed lost to Barrera and kind of gave up after that, leaving Barrera and Morales to give us an awesome trilogy.

[BADrew]

Actually, they were only both at feather for a relatively short time in their careers. Hamed left 122 around the time Morales got there and Morales only went up to 126 around the time Hamed retired.