The Terri Schiavo issue

[elgigante]

Any actual discussion about it shall be done here

[fightguy]

http://www.bloodyknux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=823

[elgigante]

The actual issue Muttonbreath not the photoshop stuff

[dy-no-mite3000]

ill have to copy/paste my outlined issues on it in a bit.

i dont know what to do...
she will have to starve to death, but she isnt living as it is right now.
this is a whole different thing as compared to abortion which i am for....

[dy-no-mite3000]

here is the deal.
her husband has girlfriend of 10 years...2 kids.
her parents want her alive and always fight for it.

she breathes on her own but is a vegetable. to kill her they have to starve her to death since she breathes without machines.

she has a 1 million dollar life insurence policy for her death.

husband wants cash obviously and her out of her torture of the last 15 years.

now stop adding morals to my thread you hijackers and post some fun terri pics!

[elgigante]

The thing that really bugs me about the whole issue is the Congress and President getting involved in this. Millions of other cases involving similar life and death issues happen everyday and they decide to intervene on this particular one. Why?

[The Kraken]

I say shoot her!

J/K. So, I really haven't followed it. If the brain is dead, though, then they're fooling themselves. It's like keeping a severed arm alive when the rest of the person is completely gone. It could be a stickier issue, though, if the cells are alive, but not functioning normally...

[PhatRick]

Just let the lady die. Their is no reason to keep a dead person breathing. If she is brain dead, her thoughts are GONE. Her mind doesnt function. She doesnt neccasarilly WANT to be alive becuase she IS DEAD. She cant function, think, dream, move, eat, or anything.

It's like John Bobbit keeping his dick healthy without ever having it put back on...

[The Kraken]

Dude, I don't know about you, but I definitely want my dick to live on. Where's my will?

[Zeffryn]

There has to be another way to...kill her? That sounds bad, but taking away her nourishment and making her suffer for two weeks does not seem like the right answer.

[dy-no-mite3000]

There has to be another way to...kill her? That sounds bad, but taking away her nourishment and making her suffer for two weeks does not seem like the right answer.
2 weeks of suffering after 15 years already?

there would be no way to administer assisted suicide to her either... she'd have to push a button etc to make it work. plus to many jesus lovers in fla would step in.


btw i heard reports her parents are elgally barred from being in the room with her, they gotta look through windows to her.



also for a mother or father...having to sit there and watch your kid starve to death because the law said so and you are helpless.


this woman is going to be left a veggie until she dies of heart failure when she is 80 years old. it is a sad thing for us all.

[Zeffryn]

Indeed it is Dyno, and these are the times when you can really see the government and regulations failing people as a society.

[PhatRick]

where is kavorkian when we need him

[dy-no-mite3000]

Indeed it is Dyno, and these are the times when you can really see the government and regulations failing people as a society.
who are they failing?

the husband who still claims it was his wifes wishes to not be kept alive by machines etc?

the parents who say they will(imo selfishly, keep their kid alive for their own reasons to keep her alive where as she has no quality of life and no human would ever wish to kept in a living state as she is)

or us as citizens, just like them where as this end result could legally now decide our fate if we should ever be placed in a similar situation.
this also brings into question the legality of "next of kin" which now can be rendered useless.

[elgigante]

Indeed it is Dyno, and these are the times when you can really see the government and regulations failing people as a society.

I still am wondering why the government felt the need to get involved in this? If this had occured in any other state besides Florida i could see this being let go. GW has to stick up for little Bro Jeb though so thats why i feel this got dragged into congress

[dy-no-mite3000]

I still am wondering why the government felt the need to get involved in this? If this had occured in any other state besides Florida i could see this being let go. GW has to stick up for little Bro Jeb though so thats why i feel this got dragged into congress
indeed.

but jeb broke the state of florida consitituion but issuing and signing the right to life/terri act. So therefore it was moved up the courts etc.

also the fact this case has legal remifications nation wide.. I can see why congress would step in. Create a set of laws and roll with it asap.

also i feel Bush and co. pulled some favours to get this sent through.

Also no law makers want to step up and say "let her die" because they know their political careers are on the line when a sensitive subject such as this would be used come re-election.

[PhatRick]

Dyno...

you ar3 smart

[Dirty]

This reminds me of how my grandmother died..... Almost exactly the same thing. She had alzheimers really bad, but she didn't need help breathing, nothing like that.


She just stopped eating, and they let her stop eating. She starved to death.


In this case, same as my grandmothers... I think it's the right thing. If somebody has no expectation to any semblence of a quality of life, and no brain activity, they shouldn't be expected to hold on for our own selfish needs.

[Zeffryn]

I still am wondering why the government felt the need to get involved in this? If this had occured in any other state besides Florida i could see this being let go. GW has to stick up for little Bro Jeb though so thats why i feel this got dragged into congress

This is what I am trying to say Dyno.

The government needs to realise when they need to stay out of things, leave the decision up to her, her family, and her husband, whatever they may choose and however they may choose to do it. I think the government is failing her.

[PhatRick]

Lins, I am sad that your rep is so much higher than mine!!!!!

[Canario]

Lins, I am sad that your rep is so much higher than mine!!!!!

I'm jealous that Lins is as tall as I am......

[dy-no-mite3000]

Dyno...

you ar3 smart

thanks pr.

btw please for everyone... do not take this as an insult or anything.

I know I am smart. i got 1001 ideas running @ all times. I am very much so a liberal,right to choice, do for the people what is right, before big biz.

I know my politics and the bullshit associated with it. It intrigues me a lot. I have a wealth of knowledge on many bases. Im into marketing, business, as well as photography,videography and editing.

But honestly who the fuck likes talking with a smarty? NO ONE! Smart people usually suck ass. especially in conversations from daily to life.

Also when people know you know a lot of shit they look to you for answers on everything, i have foudn this true with family etc. So, I "play" dumb. Because, being "Dumb"... you cannot be held responsible fo rthings you do not know... Plus you can simply be yourself. I am a fun loving guy who HATES having to be serious anything moreso than 10% of the time. Life is short, it is to be enjoyed and valued. Everyday you are given something like 86,000 seconds to make the most out of life. Why be a hard ass fuck where you can sit back and enjoy it. I may never be a millionaire, have a big business with a 100 employees, but I'll sure as fuck give it my all for when it's all said and done I have a good smile on my face knowing I made some great friends, touched some lives and brought many smiles to the faces of others. That is worth more to me than a million bucks.

Now that I am done ranting...

I am still puzzeled as to where "I lie" with this case. Ultimatly you should look @ her like a retard. Or someone such as a "Jane Doe" left with no ID in a coma for her whole life in some hospital basement. I guess that is where I lay my dec. on this matter.

Although the complexity of it all is quite deep with so many different levels to take into consideration, there is no simple yes or no answer. The gov't does have to step in due to no one else being able to make decisions.

What is best for her? To let her live? another 50 years? like she has the past 15? The fact this has dragged on for 15 years with no resolve is fucking disgraceful and the family involved should be disgusted in themselves for it. I value their will to fight? but @ what cost? She isn't coming back in any compacity. He is scorned from their family.

So what is best for her? It is the gov't stepping in, saying "this is final." and that is it. It would be inhuman to let her starve to death. But there is no other alternative unless you set a precedent which would surely be contested from so many civil action groups that will boggle us all. In the end, I feel she will be left to deal with being left in her current state being fed through a feeding tube until she cannot breathe an dher lungs give way, only to have her parents put her on life support. She will die when she is old and grey long after her family has perrished.


As far as her parent go. I think they are such self righteous assholes who are possibly some of the most selfish people in the world. Putting big biz tycoons to shame with their greed.

I sure you parents here would agree, you would do almost anything for your child. YOu give them life, teach them, learn them. Watch them grow. One of th emost difficult things to live through I am told is your child dying. It is understandable. But, being a responsible parent as I see it, would want to do what is best for their child when they have no voice of their own anymore. For me, it would be, making their pain spot. If it ment my child passing away. Knowing they would not have another night of suffering is reason enough for me to let go for them when they cannot choose. But that is me. Not them.

[dy-no-mite3000]

I'm jealous that Lins is as tall as I am......


Im jealous Lins' penis is bigger than...um... taks!!!

[dy-no-mite3000]

This is what I am trying to say Dyno.

The government needs to realise when they need to stay out of things, leave the decision up to her, her family, and her husband, whatever they may choose and however they may choose to do it. I think the government is failing her.
Linnycakes, every time her husband tries to get the tube removed to let her be(and collect the 1million dollar life plicy, remember he has a new love of 10 years and 2 kids as aproduct of that love, although i dont think he is an ass as i am sure he has feelings for terri)

Everytime there is a court order, the parents find another court, or as they did lastyear getting Jeb Bush to sign into law, that the hospital had to put the feeding tube back in. It is a game of back and forth and it is where it is today because of all of that. BTW I've known and followed this case for atleast 2-3 years now. Maybe even longer. The power cnn.com bring you is unmatched.

[Zeffryn]

That is exactly how I see it Dyno.

The parents, in my opinion, are being selfish over the whole matter. They are taking into account two cases where the person has recovered over a matter of years, out of millions. The chance to recover just isn't in her favor. I can't say that I can see where the parents are coming from, because I have never had a child, but, for those of you that know me well enough, I have come close, and I know the heartache that comes with losing a child. I would not wish it upon anybody.

There comes a time when you have to look at your child, that has no feeling, no thoughts, no hopes, no dreams, no kind of future, and ask yourself, is it really worth putting her(him) through any more of this? What is best for her, as a person, and not what is best for them.

I don't think that the parents should be dragging this out any further than they already have, let a dying dog die, as they say.

I understand the parents concern when it comes to the husband collecting the life insurance policy, and while I have no doubt that he still has feelings for Terri, maybe the prudent thing on his part to do, would be to forfeit the life insurance money. I know he has a family now, but, if he really is in it to stop her suffering. Then that would be the noble thing to do.

[dy-no-mite3000]

fuck you and your new found rep level you whore! damn you lins!!!

The power of hope and prayer Lins. That is all they have left and you see how strong their fight is based solely on prayer and hope. Also the cases of somewhat of a recovery... were never as severe as this case where as they still have no idea "how" she ended up digressing(sp?) to her current state.

[dy-no-mite3000]

Do you think her parents want the life insurence? as they are not legally allowed to have it since they are not next of kin?

[tak]

they should prostitute her out.

[dy-no-mite3000]

they should prostitute her out.

"here is some vaseline... you may need it, she can get dry sometimes."

"fuck her anyplace you want, don't cum in her, and don't punch her in the face."

[PhatRick]

Okay...
I do not have any prior knowledge of this. I am just going on what I have read in the last hour and what my mother just told me.
It honestly seems like this is just a pissing contest with the parents towards the husband. I honestly dont know how to explain what I think right now. Hopefully, I will be able to put it into words. The husband seems to honestly care about his wife but he also has teh common fucking sense t orealize that "SHE", the person in there, is gone. And as far as Jeb and his big bro hopping in. that is just horseshit.

[J@ckson]

The parents should take out a third person contract on her life to be carried out by a teminally ill hitman. That way when he's caught he has nothing to lose and will kill himself as well. Making it a murder, assisted suicide/suicide. Or as I like to call it a "Murdassisticide"

[Spydermonkey]

I am angry at her parents for pro-longing or wanting to pro-long her suffering, and yet I can't even imagine how hard that must be to watch your little girl become a vegetable and how hard it would be to let go. I think they need to let her go though and end her suffering, like Dyno said, 2 weeks doesnt compare to 15 years.

[The Kraken]

Dyno, you're not Slaughter after all, you're me. So, everybody, what he said.

[LozanoJ1985]

she should have her body donated to science for further study

[Spydermonkey]

Any actual discussion about it shall be done here
Your Foreman av looks like it is wearing a yarmulke.

[Zeffryn]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7254897/?GT1=6305

It looks as if the husband is going to get what he wants...

[Mad Processor]

The thing that really bugs me about the whole issue is the Congress and President getting involved in this. Millions of other cases involving similar life and death issues happen everyday and they decide to intervene on this particular one. Why?

Publicity. They are attention whores and this case has really been adopted by the media, thus they are giving it a shot to show themselves. The current American government is very conservative and want to show that to the people. This is typical of politicians, they grab a hold of every straw the media throws at them where they can get some publicity. Did anyone really talk about stem cell research until the media started going on about it?

This isn't just an American thing, not at all. In Norway we had a case where a little boy would be able to live if he was given some cells, I can't remember the exact details (I can dig up the story if it's of interest). The particular treatment he needed was illegal in Norway, but allowed in Britian. The media caught hold of this and the politicans jumped on the wagon. There was established an own commision to determine if they should disregard the laws in this particular case. Naturally, with the media all over it like flies on shit, people became interested and wrote to the politicans who in turn got praise when the kid got the treatment he needed.

This issue isn't about life, death or anything. I may be a cynical bastard, but the politicans are using this case for all it's worth. Bush should never have gotten involved, he should never attempt to overthrow the decision of a supreme court. Neither should kongress get involved.