who really won griffin vs. bonner?

tak · 04-10-2005, 06:01 PM

at the end of the fight last night, i thought it was going to go to the sudden death 4th round, but when i found out it wasn't, i was kinda let down because i was rooting for griffin and i thought he was going to lose. i had the first round going to forrest and the last two going to stephan, what did you guys think?

Bishop · 04-10-2005, 06:06 PM

I had the fight exactly the same way....round 1 Forrest and rounds 2/3 for Bonnar. Bonnar is one aggressive mother fucker and had Forrest hurt 2 or 3 times in round 2. Forrest just looked out of it during that round and I really thought Bonnar was going to finish him twice....I would have given Bonnar a 10-8 round. as for round 3, I thought Bonnar did just enough to eek out that round. but Forrest is a tough bastard. even though he was awarded the decision, I think Bonnar made the most fans.

when they were reading the scorecards, after Buffer read 29-28, the crowd would cheer: "BONNAR!!"

H · 04-10-2005, 06:09 PM

i would have given it to Forrest, but by Split decision. would have been happy whoever won, and i didnt bitch one bit about it being unanimous. i would have went Split toward Forrest favor simply due to the damage being even in the end, and Forrest was pressing the action more, while Bonnar was looking to counter more often. they were both aggressive out there, but forrest was pushing forward more i feel. a 4th round would have been the best situation, but i personally thought it would be a split.

WrestlerV · 04-10-2005, 06:13 PM

I agree with everyone here. It was just so close, and should have been a split decision. I was rooting for Forrest, but I was thinking Bonnar did a little bit better for two rounds. I'm glad that Forrest won though.

Lappari · 04-10-2005, 06:32 PM

Yeah, it was a close fight. No winners here really... Split decision like WrestlerN said.
But if I gotta pick the winner... I'd say it was Bonnar.

Oliver Klosov · 04-10-2005, 06:38 PM

Anyone who says a fight "Should be a split decision" simply doesn't understand judging.

The judges don't get together and discuss who won, and if it's a close fight "You score for that guy, but the two of us will score for that guy"

That is not how it works. The judges score on who they feel was more effective, not on who they think the other judges have it scored for.

All three judges had it scored 29-28 and all probably felt it was a close fight, but all saw Forrest as the winner. but the notion that it "Should be a split decision" is ridiculous.

H · 04-10-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Klosov

Anyone who says a fight "Should be a split decision" simply doesn't understand judging.

The judges don't get together and discuss who won, and if it's a close fight "You score for that guy, but the two of us will score for that guy"

That is not how it works. The judges score on who they feel was more effective, not on who they think the other judges have it scored for.

All three judges had it scored 29-28 and all probably felt it was a close fight, but all saw Forrest as the winner. but the notion that it "Should be a split decision" is ridiculous.

well, i know how judging works. can i not think at least one person would have voted for the other since it was such a close fight?

Oliver Klosov · 04-10-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by heckyl

well, i know how judging works. can i not think at least one person would have voted for the other since it was such a close fight?

Saying, you thought that it would be a split decision or that you were surprised that it wasn't a split decision is different than saying it "should" have been a split decision.

Lappari · 04-10-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Klosov

Anyone who says a fight "Should be a split decision" simply doesn't understand judging.

The judges don't get together and discuss who won, and if it's a close fight "You score for that guy, but the two of us will score for that guy"

That is not how it works. The judges score on who they feel was more effective, not on who they think the other judges have it scored for.

All three judges had it scored 29-28 and all probably felt it was a close fight, but all saw Forrest as the winner. but the notion that it "Should be a split decision" is ridiculous.

When we're talking about the fight.. as it took place.

I think that it should have been a split decision. If someone saw that Griffin was more effective than Bonnar.. fine. But I didn't see it that way.

I'm not judging anyone. I just think that it should have been a split decision.

I know how they judge.

Oliver Klosov · 04-10-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lappari

When we're talking about the fight.. as it took place.

I think that it should have been a split decision. If someone saw that Griffin was more effective than Bonnar.. fine. But I didn't see it that way.

I'm not judging anyone. I just think that it should have been a split decision.

I know how they judge.

And how do you propose they arrive at this "split decision"?

H · 04-10-2005, 06:47 PM

well maybe i "should" have checked my text. because that is what i thought. i should say i was suprised it was unanimous and that one judge didnt think opposite of the other 2. it was that close.

Oliver Klosov · 04-10-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by heckyl

well maybe i "should" have checked my text. because that is what i thought. i should say i was suprised it was unanimous and that one judge didnt think opposite of the other 2. it was that close.

yes, I can understand that, it was a very close fight.

H · 04-10-2005, 06:54 PM

im curious how they will fare with the tops of that division in Chuck, Randy, and Tito. can either of these dudes hang with the three of them?

IX Equilibrium · 04-10-2005, 06:56 PM

It could have gone either way, in my opinion. I was just glad they awarded Bonnar a contract, because I think he deserved it as much as Griffin.

Props to both guys for showing an incredible amount of heart.

REDNOZE300 · 04-11-2005, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IX Equilibrium

It could have gone either way, in my opinion. I was just glad they awarded Bonnar a contract, because I think he deserved it as much as Griffin.

Props to both guys for showing an incredible amount of heart.

tottaly agree

katarina · 04-10-2005, 06:56 PM

I just watched it a few minutes ago. Close, but war Bonnar.

remy · 04-10-2005, 07:17 PM

i believe the real winners were the fans.

but, if i HAD to pick a winner (i scored it a draw) i wouldve picked forrest.

something like this
round 1: 10-9 forrest. he landed the better shots and was the aggressor while stephan was still kind of finidng his mark.
round 2: 10-9 bonnar. stephan begins working that nice jab of his and manages to split forrest up pretty nicely.
round 3: 10-9 forrest. id say they both did the same amount of damage, but forrest was again the one pushing the fight, while bonnar chose to counterpunch.

OB Juan · 04-11-2005, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by remy

i believe the real winners were the fans.

but, if i HAD to pick a winner (i scored it a draw) i wouldve picked forrest.

something like this
round 1: 10-9 forrest. he landed the better shots and was the aggressor while stephan was still kind of finidng his mark.
round 2: 10-9 bonnar. stephan begins working that nice jab of his and manages to split forrest up pretty nicely.
round 3: 10-9 forrest. id say they both did the same amount of damage, but forrest was again the one pushing the fight, while bonnar chose to counterpunch.

This is pretty much how I see it. Griffn rds 1 and 3, Bonnar rd 2.

IMO, they did everything perfectly last night. The right person got the win and both guys got contracts. It was a great fight and both of them showed a ton of heart.

I had a moment last night. Listening to those guys afterwards was almost as good as the fight. It's noy very often that even the hardcore fans get to really know a fighter. All of the old fans were rewarded last night finally seeing an event on cable, plus all of the new fans got a great impression of the sport.

I think it was an awesome fight, not the best ever, but defnitely stellar. The guys in UFC 52 have a hard act to follow. I think 52 has the potential to break the record for biggest selling UFC PPV. If the fights are close to as good as they look on paper it could insure alot of repeat business.

I think I'm going to miss not seeing TUF tomorrow.

dy-no-mite3000 · 04-10-2005, 07:22 PM

i had forrest winning 2-1 simply because he took stephen down @ will. only 1-2 times was Bonner able to block that single leg sweep.

Standup.. it was close, but forrest landed more with bonner missing a lot of haymakers that were very close.

for those reasons Griffin took the fight although i was hoping Stephen would take it.

CHH · 04-10-2005, 08:03 PM

29-28 Forrest on my card

tak · 04-10-2005, 08:56 PM

olly's putting his foot down on the "split decision" issue.

CHH · 04-10-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tak

olly's putting his foot down on the "split decision" issue.

I don't blame him. Forrest won 2 rounds decisively, and Bonnar won one round decisively. Just because it was a close fight doesn't make it a close decision. I had some argument with my dad over this too. He didn't understand that the UFC judges go by rounds. When I actually added up the points for him, he finally conceeded.

tak · 04-10-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CHH

I don't blame him. Forrest won 2 rounds decisively, and Bonnar won one round decisively. Just because it was a close fight doesn't make it a close decision. I had some argument with my dad over this too. He didn't understand that the UFC judges go by rounds. When I actually added up the points for him, he finally conceeded.

even if you think he won two rounds, i don't know how you can possibly think he won them "decisively."

CHH · 04-10-2005, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tak

even if you think he won two rounds, i don't know how you can possibly think he won them "decisively."

10-9 win, even though it's close, it still a won round. I don't think anyone disagree's that he won rounds 1 and 3........which is where the "decisive" comment came from.

tak · 04-10-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CHH

10-9 win, even though it's close, it still a won round. I don't think anyone disagree's that he won rounds 1 and 3........which is where the "decisive" comment came from.

i thought bonner won the third round. forrest was pressing the action more, but bonner seemed to land more shots and cleaner shots. decisively would mean that there is no doubt that griffin won the third, and there definitely is some doubt, seeing as a number of people think that bonner won the fight.

JSC · 04-10-2005, 09:33 PM

I just like saying "Bonnar" like "Boner".

Bloody Pulp · 04-10-2005, 10:10 PM

I had Griffin or Draw. Could've been either one and I wouldn't argue.

H · 04-10-2005, 10:12 PM

forrest pressing the action pushing to do damage won him the rounds. had Bonnar not chose to counterpunch the nod would have went his direction. i feel thats what made the winner.

Deadpool · 04-10-2005, 11:03 PM

I gave Griffin the 1st, Bonnar the 2nd and the 3rd was a draw. I would have liked to have seen one more round, but i'm happy about the out come. There is no way on god's green earth that Bonnar or Griffin won that last roud. Actually, i'd have to lean towards Griffin a bit in the last round. He was aggressive and Bonnar back'd up for half that round and took some shots. It's a win-win.

ventrue · 04-11-2005, 01:10 AM

I gave Bonnar a split decision victory.

I think Forrest got the decision because he was the aggressor. Pretty similar to the Southworth/Bonnar fight IMO, when Bonnar was the aggressor. It sucks, but that's the way the judges scored it and you have to respect their decision.

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04-10-2005, 06:01 PM	#1
tak jsc was already taken Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,231 vCash: 304637 Rep Power: 20	who really won griffin vs. bonner? at the end of the fight last night, i thought it was going to go to the sudden death 4th round, but when i found out it wasn't, i was kinda let down because i was rooting for griffin and i thought he was going to lose. i had the first round going to forrest and the last two going to stephan, what did you guys think? __________________ "karate? the dane cook of martial arts?" - sterling archer

04-10-2005, 06:09 PM	#3
H eckyl Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ARIZOWNA Posts: 30,168 vCash: 2462 Rep Power: 50	i would have given it to Forrest, but by Split decision. would have been happy whoever won, and i didnt bitch one bit about it being unanimous. i would have went Split toward Forrest favor simply due to the damage being even in the end, and Forrest was pressing the action more, while Bonnar was looking to counter more often. they were both aggressive out there, but forrest was pushing forward more i feel. a 4th round would have been the best situation, but i personally thought it would be a split. __________________ . ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ "Dost thou even hoist, bro?"

04-10-2005, 06:32 PM	#5
Lappari Killer Bunny FTW Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a bottle of Finlandia Vodka. Posts: 5,634 vCash: 2875 Rep Power: 20	Yeah, it was a close fight. No winners here really... Split decision like WrestlerN said. But if I gotta pick the winner... I'd say it was Bonnar. __________________ "You don’t fall on the ground and breathe heavy after a [CrossFit] workout?" “No. When animals surrender they go lying on their back. I never go lying on my back. It’s a sign of weakness and surrendering. Never lying on my back." - Mikko Salo

04-10-2005, 06:47 PM	#11
H eckyl Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ARIZOWNA Posts: 30,168 vCash: 2462 Rep Power: 50	well maybe i "should" have checked my text. because that is what i thought. i should say i was suprised it was unanimous and that one judge didnt think opposite of the other 2. it was that close. __________________ . ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ "Dost thou even hoist, bro?"

04-10-2005, 06:06 PM	#2
Bishop Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 36,844 vCash: 9539 Rep Power: 30	I had the fight exactly the same way....round 1 Forrest and rounds 2/3 for Bonnar. Bonnar is one aggressive mother fucker and had Forrest hurt 2 or 3 times in round 2. Forrest just looked out of it during that round and I really thought Bonnar was going to finish him twice....I would have given Bonnar a 10-8 round. as for round 3, I thought Bonnar did just enough to eek out that round. but Forrest is a tough bastard. even though he was awarded the decision, I think Bonnar made the most fans. when they were reading the scorecards, after Buffer read 29-28, the crowd would cheer: "BONNAR!!"

04-10-2005, 06:13 PM	#4
WrestlerV Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 21,977 vCash: 385835 Rep Power: 27	I agree with everyone here. It was just so close, and should have been a split decision. I was rooting for Forrest, but I was thinking Bonnar did a little bit better for two rounds. I'm glad that Forrest won though.

04-10-2005, 06:54 PM	#13
H eckyl Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ARIZOWNA Posts: 30,168 vCash: 2462 Rep Power: 50	im curious how they will fare with the tops of that division in Chuck, Randy, and Tito. can either of these dudes hang with the three of them? __________________ . ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ "Dost thou even hoist, bro?"

04-10-2005, 06:56 PM	#14
IX Equilibrium Orphans Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Antonio Posts: 4,335 vCash: 770 Rep Power: 18	It could have gone either way, in my opinion. I was just glad they awarded Bonnar a contract, because I think he deserved it as much as Griffin. Props to both guys for showing an incredible amount of heart. Last edited by IX Equilibrium : 04-10-2005 at 07:04 PM.

04-10-2005, 06:56 PM	#16
katarina Serious. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: your wildest wet dream Posts: 255 vCash: 3424 Rep Power: 17	I just watched it a few minutes ago. Close, but war Bonnar. __________________ All of the hoes want to kick it with me.

04-10-2005, 07:17 PM	#17
remy Manly. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: M-Town, Bitch. Posts: 3,026 vCash: 76742 Rep Power: 18	i believe the real winners were the fans. but, if i HAD to pick a winner (i scored it a draw) i wouldve picked forrest. something like this round 1: 10-9 forrest. he landed the better shots and was the aggressor while stephan was still kind of finidng his mark. round 2: 10-9 bonnar. stephan begins working that nice jab of his and manages to split forrest up pretty nicely. round 3: 10-9 forrest. id say they both did the same amount of damage, but forrest was again the one pushing the fight, while bonnar chose to counterpunch. __________________ The answer of sadness.

04-10-2005, 08:03 PM	#20
CHH 30-26 Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10,422 vCash: 3355 Rep Power: 23	29-28 Forrest on my card

04-10-2005, 08:56 PM	#21
tak jsc was already taken Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,231 vCash: 304637 Rep Power: 20	olly's putting his foot down on the "split decision" issue. __________________ "karate? the dane cook of martial arts?" - sterling archer

04-10-2005, 10:10 PM	#27
Bloody Pulp Why so serious? Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Two weeks from everywhere. Posts: 4,529 vCash: 129602 Rep Power: 19	I had Griffin or Draw. Could've been either one and I wouldn't argue. __________________ Though much is taken, much abides; and though We are not now that strength which in the old days Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are, One equal-temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

04-10-2005, 10:12 PM	#28
H eckyl Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ARIZOWNA Posts: 30,168 vCash: 2462 Rep Power: 50	forrest pressing the action pushing to do damage won him the rounds. had Bonnar not chose to counterpunch the nod would have went his direction. i feel thats what made the winner. __________________ . ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ "Dost thou even hoist, bro?"

04-10-2005, 11:03 PM	#29
Deadpool Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MA. Posts: 156 vCash: 11 Rep Power: 17	I gave Griffin the 1st, Bonnar the 2nd and the 3rd was a draw. I would have liked to have seen one more round, but i'm happy about the out come. There is no way on god's green earth that Bonnar or Griffin won that last roud. Actually, i'd have to lean towards Griffin a bit in the last round. He was aggressive and Bonnar back'd up for half that round and took some shots. It's a win-win. __________________ i took you home set you on the glass i pulled off your wings then i laughed

04-11-2005, 01:10 AM	#30
ventrue Junior Poster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 786 vCash: 130307 Rep Power: 17	I gave Bonnar a split decision victory. I think Forrest got the decision because he was the aggressor. Pretty similar to the Southworth/Bonnar fight IMO, when Bonnar was the aggressor. It sucks, but that's the way the judges scored it and you have to respect their decision.

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