Spoiler**** Overeem question.

Sonny Jilks · 06-28-2005, 09:59 AM

Do you think Overeems incredibly effecive guillotine is a result of his skill at applying the move or his build. He has very long and quite thin limbs which i imagine once they are sunk in are nigh on impossible to remove. What do you think?

heckyl · 06-28-2005, 10:03 AM

i feel that Overeem has learned to use his size. with his size advantage and limbs, it does make it extremly hard to get out of that move. its probably a combination of both, though. its going to take skill to catch somebody in the hold still, and lock it properly. his size just makes it harder to escape.

natecrime · 06-28-2005, 10:07 AM

I think he is a guillotine bastard, he obviously sinks it in deep as Igor was tapping fast, and Belfort didn't seem to make too much of a struggle, so he's obviously doing someting right with it, I think that the length of his arms and height will aid him to a great deal with this submission and this is evident from his recent results.

Sonny Jilks · 06-28-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nate22

I think he is a guillotine bastard, he obviously sinks it in deep as Igor was tapping fast, and Belfort didn't seem to make too much of a struggle, so he's obviously doing someting right with it, I think that the length of his arms and height will aid him to a great deal with this submission and this is evident from his recent results.

Yeah the speed with which it makes people tap is impressive.

REDNOZE300 · 06-28-2005, 12:21 PM

Allistar choked out a guy from my gym in ADCC finals a cupple of months ago ( with the guillotine ) , and i asked my friend how he could tap to Allistar and he said , you wont belive me how strong he is in this technique ( cuz this is my friends favorite technique to )

now that he has choked out Vitor and Igor i see it differently . the guillotine was made for him . he is tall , strong and has good technique .

in the Igor fight he almost choked his head of . in the slow mow they showed from one angle and you could see for a sec that Allistar had worked it in and was now turning with his whole body and Igors head was falling off .

i hate that fucker , Igor should have Knocked that fool out

buhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu

my sex is artsy · 06-28-2005, 02:06 PM

Basically, its both. His build aids him in being able to adjust his technique, so he can sink it in extra deep, crank the neck, and pull up. I love watching Alistair rape bitches with it.

OB Juan · 06-28-2005, 05:34 PM

Both. He's long and strong and has mastered a technique that suits his build. I can't wait to see how well he can use it on a Chute Boxe guy.

Oliver Klosov · 06-28-2005, 05:37 PM

The leverage he had on Igor because of his height made it a choke and a neck crank all at once.

It takes skill to use the advantages you were given at birth.

Pro shoot · 06-28-2005, 07:08 PM

Shooto Nog isn't tall but his guillotines is second to none. Alistairs next fight against Shogun is going to be hard for him. It was nice move for Overeem but Igor didn't even try to escape. Watch Igor vs Rampage that is my favorite way to remove guillotine.

my sex is artsy · 06-28-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pro shoot

Shooto Nog isn't tall but his guillotines is second to none. Alistairs next fight against Shogun is going to be hard for him. It was nice move for Overeem but Igor didn't even try to escape. Watch Igor vs Rampage that is my favorite way to remove guillotine.

Overeem was fucking wrecking Igor with that. Igor couldn't lift him up; if he tried, Overeem would just jump guard and bring him down to the mat, like Pequeno does.

Pro shoot · 06-28-2005, 07:29 PM

When I'm training I always jump guard if I try to do guillotine. When you try to escape from guillotine choke(lifting) you have step next to your opponent so he can't jump to the guard. Ofcourse in this case AO had significant size advantage.
Anyway Overeem has trained lots of guillotine and I bet it is hard to escape it.

SnjoNegri · 06-28-2005, 07:34 PM

I imagine the only weakness he leaves is the gap he leaves near his elbow.
Maybe you can stick your arm in there, gain some sort of leverage and twist your face out.

Canario · 06-28-2005, 07:37 PM

You know, if you are in a Guillotine, you could also just go to the ground into the other person's guard, as I find it alot easier to escape the guillotine from guard than standing anyways.

Just reach around the person's head, grab onto the opposite shoulder and drive your shoulder into their face. Works nearly every time.

**Sir Gibbs** · 06-28-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Fiddy

You know, if you are in a Guillotine, you could also just go to the ground into the other person's guard, as I find it alot easier to escape the guillotine from guard than standing anyways.

Just reach around the person's head, grab onto the opposite shoulder and drive your shoulder into their face. Works nearly every time.

So if you're being guillotined, and your head is under their right armpit. You reach around with your right arm and grab their right shoulder, or vice versa?

Canario · 06-28-2005, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibbs

So if you're being guillotined, and your head is under their right armpit. You reach around with your right arm and grab their right shoulder, or vice versa?

If your head is under their right armpit, you reach around their back with your right arm and grab as far under their right shoulder as possible. Then you pressure down on your right side as much as possible, driving your shoulder into their face.

This is pretty much the standard escape to a guillotine.

**Sir Gibbs** · 06-28-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Fiddy

If your head is under their right armpit, you reach around their back with your right arm and grab as far under their right shoulder as possible. Then you pressure down on your right side as much as possible, driving your shoulder into their face.

This is pretty much the standard escape to a guillotine.

Cool cheers, i've never really been taught how to escape a guillotine, i always just vice my head out and just try to keep my head down so they can't get their forearm across your windpipe. I hate when guys just headlock you thinking they have something, i have to wrench my head out and my neck always kills the next morning

Canario · 06-28-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibbs

Cool cheers, i've never really been taught how to escape a guillotine, i always just vice my head out and just try to keep my head down so they can't get their forearm across your windpipe. I hate when guys just headlock you thinking they have something, i have to wrench my head out and my neck always kills the next morning

I used the muscle and force method at first, but I then slowly realized that when people know the technique, it doesn't matter how strong I am. The actual escape is much easier on the neck, but you sometimes have to go without air for a second or two longer.

Bishop · 06-28-2005, 08:02 PM

I think Alistair will become the first fighter to ever win a fight via flying guillotine choke

mark my words

Canario · 06-28-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bishop

I think Alistair will become the first fighter to ever win a fight via flying guillotine choke

mark my words

Didn't Hendo come close???

my sex is artsy · 06-28-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Fiddy

Didn't Hendo come close???

When? I just remember him getting gullotines then jumping guard.

I think Alistair should jump up, as if to throw the flying knee, then fake the guy out in mid air and guillotine him. Best. Sub. Eva.

CHH · 06-28-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by REDNOZE300

Allistar choked out a guy from my gym in ADCC finals a cupple of months ago ( with the guillotine ) , and i asked my friend how he could tap to Allistar and he said , you wont belive me how strong he is in this technique ( cuz this is my friends favorite technique to )

now that he has choked out Vitor and Igor i see it differently . the guillotine was made for him . he is tall , strong and has good technique .

in the Igor fight he almost choked his head of . in the slow mow they showed from one angle and you could see for a sec that Allistar had worked it in and was now turning with his whole body and Igors head was falling off .

i hate that fucker , Igor should have Knocked that fool out

buhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu

You train with Mikael Grothe? Is he still a purple belt?

( o Y o ) · 06-29-2005, 03:15 AM

Something only slightly related.....he said the other night that right now everyone is talking only about his guillotine, but that he just took what was there for him to finish the fight....he said when he KO`s a few in a row with his knees everyone will start calling him a stiker again.

my sex is artsy · 06-29-2005, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ( o Y o )

Something only slightly related.....he said the other night that right now everyone is talking only about his guillotine, but that he just took what was there for him to finish the fight....he said when he KO`s a few in a row with his knees everyone will start calling him a stiker again.

Yeah. Its kind of stupid when I try to show people Overeem, and I'm like "He's the Flying Dutchman. Madd flying knees", then he gets a takedown and then ends up guillotining someone. I just have to shrug my shoulders.

Anyway, I'm seriously hoping he breaks out the flying guillotine soon.

my sex is artsy · 06-29-2005, 03:20 AM

Also, I have a friend who is 6'5", 190 pounds, with the exact same hair cut, style and color as Overeem, the same facial features including the big lips and long pickle-shaped head, and he even has an orange shirt. He looks exactly like Alistair, except white. I now call him "Demolition Man" regularly, and he has no idea why. I love it.

Oliver Klosov · 06-29-2005, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

Also, I have a friend who is 6'5", 190 pounds, with the exact same hair cut, style and color as Overeem, the same facial features including the big lips and long pickle-shaped head, and he even has an orange shirt. He looks exactly like Alistair, except white. I now call him "Demolition Man" regularly, and he has no idea why. I love it.

Buy that man a hammer.

my sex is artsy · 06-29-2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Klosov

Buy that man a hammer.

Oliver, are you a hammer hater?

I can't stand when people try to play it off like Alistair's hammer isn't fucking bomb as hell. It was fruity when he rocked the goggles and construction hat...but the big wooden mallet is the fucking shit.

Anyone who opposes Alistair's hammer gets the guillotine.

Oliver Klosov · 06-29-2005, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

Oliver, are you a hammer hater?

.

quite the opposite, actually. Ollie's favorite super hero as a youngster?

Also, been a fan of Overeem since he fought Chuck. Even back when Fwap was still operational I argued to get Him into Toetags' fantasy tourney.

my sex is artsy · 06-29-2005, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Klosov

quite the opposite, actually. Ollie's favorite super hero as a youngster?

Also, been a fan of Overeem since he fought Chuck. Even back when Fwap was still operational I argued to get Him into Toetags' fantasy tourney.

Reps for hammer appreciation.

WAR MJOLNIR!!

heckyl · 06-29-2005, 05:23 AM

JTT hates the hammer. The giant hammer is the fuckin shit.

my sex is artsy · 06-29-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by heckyl

JTT hates the hammer. The giant hammer is the fuckin shit.

I'm pissed he's gone to the small handle variation. I love the big three foot handled hammer.

06-28-2005, 09:59 AM	#1
Sonny Jilks Spooneriser Join Date: May 2005 Location: York, England Posts: 492 vCash: 7924 Rep Power: 11	Spoiler Overeem question. Do you think Overeems incredibly effecive guillotine is a result of his skill at applying the move or his build. He has very long and quite thin limbs which i imagine once they are sunk in are nigh on impossible to remove. What do you think? __________________ This is a conversation. Yes.

06-28-2005, 10:07 AM	#3
natecrime believe Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham, Liverpool - England. Posts: 7,807 vCash: 187 Rep Power: 14	I think he is a guillotine bastard, he obviously sinks it in deep as Igor was tapping fast, and Belfort didn't seem to make too much of a struggle, so he's obviously doing someting right with it, I think that the length of his arms and height will aid him to a great deal with this submission and this is evident from his recent results. __________________ 人是最少他自己當他談話在他自己的人。給他一個面具, 並且他將告訴您真相。ほとんどの人々は人々へである。思考は意見、生命誰か他の人まね、情熱引用語句である。

06-28-2005, 02:06 PM	#6
my sex is artsy Boxing's Beauty Queen Join Date: May 2005 Location: hellifax, nova scotia Posts: 16,487 vCash: 326865 Rep Power: 18	Basically, its both. His build aids him in being able to adjust his technique, so he can sink it in extra deep, crank the neck, and pull up. I love watching Alistair rape bitches with it. __________________ "I know, I know and you know, we knew, we did not know, we were there, after all, and not there and at times when only the void stood between us we got all the way to each other."

06-28-2005, 08:02 PM	#18
Bishop Booty Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 31,551 vCash: 397 Rep Power: 23	I think Alistair will become the first fighter to ever win a fight via flying guillotine choke mark my words __________________

06-29-2005, 03:20 AM	#24
my sex is artsy Boxing's Beauty Queen Join Date: May 2005 Location: hellifax, nova scotia Posts: 16,487 vCash: 326865 Rep Power: 18	Also, I have a friend who is 6'5", 190 pounds, with the exact same hair cut, style and color as Overeem, the same facial features including the big lips and long pickle-shaped head, and he even has an orange shirt. He looks exactly like Alistair, except white. I now call him "Demolition Man" regularly, and he has no idea why. I love it. __________________ "I know, I know and you know, we knew, we did not know, we were there, after all, and not there and at times when only the void stood between us we got all the way to each other."

06-28-2005, 12:21 PM	#5
REDNOZE300 smoke weed every day Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: some place very fucking cold Posts: 1,103 vCash: 37715 Rep Power: 12	Allistar choked out a guy from my gym in ADCC finals a cupple of months ago ( with the guillotine ) , and i asked my friend how he could tap to Allistar and he said , you wont belive me how strong he is in this technique ( cuz this is my friends favorite technique to ) now that he has choked out Vitor and Igor i see it differently . the guillotine was made for him . he is tall , strong and has good technique . in the Igor fight he almost choked his head of . in the slow mow they showed from one angle and you could see for a sec that Allistar had worked it in and was now turning with his whole body and Igors head was falling off . i hate that fucker , Igor should have Knocked that fool out buhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu

06-28-2005, 07:08 PM	#9
Pro shoot ANACONDAS Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,536 vCash: 22975 Rep Power: 11	Shooto Nog isn't tall but his guillotines is second to none. Alistairs next fight against Shogun is going to be hard for him. It was nice move for Overeem but Igor didn't even try to escape. Watch Igor vs Rampage that is my favorite way to remove guillotine.

06-28-2005, 07:29 PM	#11
Pro shoot ANACONDAS Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,536 vCash: 22975 Rep Power: 11	When I'm training I always jump guard if I try to do guillotine. When you try to escape from guillotine choke(lifting) you have step next to your opponent so he can't jump to the guard. Ofcourse in this case AO had significant size advantage. Anyway Overeem has trained lots of guillotine and I bet it is hard to escape it.

06-28-2005, 07:34 PM	#12
SnjoNegri Formerly Simo Hayha Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 12,761 vCash: 12990268 Rep Power: 17	I imagine the only weakness he leaves is the gap he leaves near his elbow. Maybe you can stick your arm in there, gain some sort of leverage and twist your face out.

06-28-2005, 07:37 PM	#13
Canario Terror Bird Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canary Islands Posts: 7,206 vCash: 24271 Rep Power: 14	You know, if you are in a Guillotine, you could also just go to the ground into the other person's guard, as I find it alot easier to escape the guillotine from guard than standing anyways. Just reach around the person's head, grab onto the opposite shoulder and drive your shoulder into their face. Works nearly every time.

06-29-2005, 03:15 AM	#22
( o Y o ) www.kakutougi.info Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,282 vCash: 100559 Rep Power: 12	Something only slightly related.....he said the other night that right now everyone is talking only about his guillotine, but that he just took what was there for him to finish the fight....he said when he KO`s a few in a row with his knees everyone will start calling him a stiker again.

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