Ogawa Vs Yoshida - NYE Confirmed?

[Jack Swagger]

Saw it on Sherdog, can anyone confirm?? Link is in Japanese ...

http://sports.yahoo.co.jp/

[REDNOZE300]

NO!!

http://www.puroresupower.com/


PRIDE) DSE big boss Nobuyuki Sakakibara clarified information and commented on two reports (Yomiuri & Nikkan Sports) that Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Naoya Ogawa was being signed for the 12/31 Saitama Super Arena show. Sakakibara stated that contracts were not completed and that negotiations are advancing. Sakakibara apologized to both Ogawa & Yoshida for any issues that were created by the press leaks/reports.

[jiddu]

wow, they make a big deal out of it

crazy japanese

[Fighting_Irish1]

Fuckin' horrible I'm perfering UFC over pride every week at a time

[John O'Brien]

Good match for the japanese. Two good judo players.

[Fighting_Irish1]

Originally Posted by john o'brien

Good match for the japanese. Two good judo players.

Fuck the japanese i wanna see a good match, pride 30 was an atrosious(sp) show

[TILSON]

I thought Yoshida was going to get ass raped by Fedor on NYE?

[Whining Pussy]

Originally Posted by Fighting_Irish1

Fuckin' horrible I'm perfering UFC over pride every week at a time

are you completely out of your mind?

Silva v Arona 2, Mirko v Nog 2, Henderson v Bustamante, Gomi v Sakurai, Ninja v Filho.....that's 5 amazing match-ups that no organization in the world can rival in the slightest. either you're insane or you weren't aware of this.

Originally Posted by Fighting_Irish1

Fuck the japanese i wanna see a good match

the UFC's best matchmaking this year was at the TUF 2 Finale and they have no plans of out doing themselves before the close of 2005. Rashad Evans, Brad Imes, Luke Cummo, Joe Stevenson, Diego, Diaz, Florian, Cope all fought pretty exciting fights but they're just barely getting themselves on the same page as these forementioned fighters on Pride's NYE show. and i don't see anyone around here saying, "fuck the americans". if it weren't for prefering to give you the benefit of the doubt as just being stupid here i'd probably be making more a spectacle of your flagrant bigotry.

[Fighting_Irish1]

Make a spectical all you want,

I am stating I perfer the franchise, indeed pride has by far the better fighters and wealth of LHW and HW fighters, I used to be a die hard Prider but the quiet crowds and lack of atmosphere for the big matches is makes the experiance quite flat, It just does'nt translate as well as the UFC does as a TV spectical, sure pride has the better fights etc,

I'm just fed up with the horse shit I'm getting packaged with the goodness come on there are some straight up shocking matchs in pride

[Whining Pussy]

i'm not interested in Ogawa v Yoshida. i prefer Yoshida fighting at 205 so long as he's not being catapulted into fights with the champ or any of the top 5 contenders.

[Whining Pussy]

Originally Posted by Fighting_Irish1

I'm just fed up with the horse shit I'm getting packaged with the goodness come on there are some straight up shocking matchs in pride

sure, but i really don't find it any more shocking than Arlovski v Buentello/Eilers, Quarry v Carter, Quarry v Franklin, Diaz v Oishi, or the fact that you can pick the winner of almost every single fight on their ppv events by locating the favorite.

and that's just the fight content. the UFC also proclaims themselves ultimate and likens themselves to the superbowl, they're the Phil Baroni of mma promotions.

[my sex is artsy]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

are you completely out of your mind?

Silva v Arona 2, Mirko v Nog 2, Henderson v Bustamante, Gomi v Sakurai, Ninja v Filho.....that's 5 amazing match-ups that no organization in the world can rival in the slightest. either you're insane or you weren't aware of this.



the UFC's best matchmaking this year was at the TUF 2 Finale and they have no plans of out doing themselves before the close of 2005. Rashad Evans, Brad Imes, Luke Cummo, Joe Stevenson, Diego, Diaz, Florian, Cope all fought pretty exciting fights but they're just barely getting themselves on the same page as these forementioned fighters on Pride's NYE show. and i don't see anyone around here saying, "fuck the americans". if it weren't for prefering to give you the benefit of the doubt as just being stupid here i'd probably be making more a spectacle of your flagrant bigotry.

That's the UFC's best match making all year? Vitor vs. Tito, Sylvia vs. Arlovski, Couture vs. Liddell II, Hughes vs. Trigg II, Trigg vs. GSP, Franlin vs. Tanner, Tanner vs. Franklin II, Tanner vs. Terrell, Loiseau vs. Tanner, so on, so forth. All of these fights are involving two ranked (well, Vitor vs. Tito is arguable) fighters just flexing their thang against one another.

Not to mention, you succumb to ridiculous over hype of Ninja vs Filho as a result of their stature as Chute Boxe vs. BTT. I know you'll retort with your "Oh, I just have a feeling about fights" bullshit, but Ninja being a 185 terror at this point can't be proven, nor can it for Filho. OMG! NINJA ISN'T RANKED AT 185 YET! Doesn't this mean he doesn't DESERVE this match in your perfect MMA system?

[OB Juan]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

sure, but i really don't find it any more shocking than Arlovski v Buentello/Eilers, Quarry v Carter, Quarry v Franklin, Diaz v Oishi, or the fact that you can pick the winner of almost every single fight on their ppv events by locating the favorite.

Pride 30 didn't have one single upset. The only 2 that were close were stopped prematurely insuring victory for the (fan/company) favorites.

As far as those matches in the UFC, some of those have to do w/ last minute replacements for whatever reason or just lack of bodies in the division. Quarry/Carter was a match pitting an up and comer against a cagey veteran, alot of people were actually picking Shonie in that one too.

[Fighting_Irish1]

WAR ZUFFA!

[Whining Pussy]

Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

That's the UFC's best match making all year? Vitor vs. Tito, Sylvia vs. Arlovski, Couture vs. Liddell II, Hughes vs. Trigg II, Trigg vs. GSP, Franlin vs. Tanner, Tanner vs. Franklin II, Tanner vs. Terrell, Loiseau vs. Tanner, so on, so forth. All of these fights are involving two ranked (well, Vitor vs. Tito is arguable) fighters just flexing their thang against one another.

Not to mention, you succumb to ridiculous over hype of Ninja vs Filho as a result of their stature as Chute Boxe vs. BTT. I know you'll retort with your "Oh, I just have a feeling about fights" bullshit, but Ninja being a 185 terror at this point can't be proven, nor can it for Filho. OMG! NINJA ISN'T RANKED AT 185 YET! Doesn't this mean he doesn't DESERVE this match in your perfect MMA system?

i meant in the sense of every fight or the majority of the TUF 2 finale was fairly well matched. I agree that Vitor/Tito, Sylvia/Arlovski, and Loiseau/Tanner as being good match-making. i'm a bit skeptic of Hughes/Trigg 2 cause the only persons i'm aware of Trigg fighting to get that title shot were Hallman and Verissimo. i don't think Trigg really deserved a title shot and then after losing it miserably i don't really agree that he deserved to fight the #1 contender. Franklin fought Tanner twice this year? i know they've fought twice but i didn't think it was all this year. UFC's idea that he earned that title shot by fighting Ken Shamrock didn't really make that fight deserved to me. Terrel only got his title shot because by the result of great prayers on behalf of the UFC he flash KOd their least desirable contender, Matt Lindland. the whole system of contendership at 185 imo was completely thrown to shit because they wanted to get rid of Lindland so badly, which was ridiculou and completely unprofessional. the Franlin-Tanner fight was most justifiable to me simply because Franklin wrecked him in their first fight.

you're right that Ninja v Filho doesn't excatly conform to my ideals but they threw the underweight underaccomplished dutchman at Ninja in his last fight and the show must go on. besides Ninja's performance at 205 is of some consideration in his move in weight. he had very close fights with Henderson, the favorite to be their 185lb belt holder, and Quinton Jackson, last year's #1 205lb contender at Pride. i don't think you'd deny that it's an excellent match-up on paper. these are two youngest and most promising contributions from BTT and Chute Box, Brazil's most esteemed mma camps and i'm highly anticipating it. to me it's as big as fight as Henderson v Bustamante.

[OB Juan]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

i'm a bit skeptic of Hughes/Trigg 2 cause the only persons i'm aware of Trigg fighting to get that title shot were Hallman and Verissimo. i don't think Trigg really deserved a title shot and then after losing it miserably i don't really agree that he deserved to fight the #1 contender.

So you don't agree w/ the UFC's matchmaking? That's a fucking shocker. Trigg gave Charuto the beating if his career where Hughes went to a close decision w/ Charuto. Trigg also laid a whooping on Hallman who beat Hughes twice.

[my sex is artsy]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

i meant in the sense of every fight or the majority of the TUF 2 finale was fairly well matched. I agree that Vitor/Tito, Sylvia/Arlovski, and Loiseau/Tanner as being good match-making. i'm a bit skeptic of Hughes/Trigg 2 cause the only persons i'm aware of Trigg fighting to get that title shot were Hallman and Verissimo.

Yes, this is true. But Trigg smashed them both, and people thought Charuto was on some Top 5 shit. Not really a terrible call.

i don't think Trigg really deserved a title shot and then after losing it miserably i don't really agree that he deserved to fight the #1 contender.

Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. Decisions can't be made retroactively.

Franklin fought Tanner twice this year? i know they've fought twice but i didn't think it was all this year.

Admitted self pwnage, cutie pie.

UFC's idea that he earned that title shot by fighting Ken Shamrock didn't really make that fight deserved to me. Terrel only got his title shot because by the result of great prayers on behalf of the UFC he flash KOd their least desirable contender, Matt Lindland.

Flash KO? Terrell's stand up is vastly better than Lindland's. What is at all fluke like about that? You throw a shitty punch when you're a one dimensional wrestler, expect to get rocked.

you're right that Ninja v Filho doesn't excatly conform to my ideals but they threw the underweight underaccomplished dutchman at Ninja in his last fight and the show must go on. besides Ninja's performance at 205 is of some consideration in his move in weight. he had very close fights with Henderson, the favorite to be their 185lb belt holder, and Quinton Jackson, last year's #1 205lb contender at Pride. i don't think you'd deny that it's an excellent match-up on paper. these are two youngest and most promising contributions from BTT and Chute Box, Brazil's most esteemed mma camps and i'm highly anticipating it. to me it's as big as fight as Henderson v Bustamante

1) Chunkaiev is Chechnyan

2) Even if it is "of consideration", the fact is that he still isn't ranked at 185 yet, and if so, not that highly, and therefore it doesn't conform to your ideals.

3) An excellent match up paper? It could be, it might not be. Filho fights can suck dick sometimes. The Shoji fight, for instance. Sure, Ninja is non stop action, but you never know when a fight is going to suck.

4) As big as Hendo vs. Busta? Well, I guess first you must evaluate why you think Hendo vs. Busta is so big. Bustamante hadn't fought in Middleweight in forever, then he trounces Suda and Minowa which any Top 15 185'er should hopefully be able to do. Does he DESERVE this fight? Keep in mind, Busta had tons of trouble with the strictly mediocre DEEP champ, Ryuta Sakurai. Furthermore, headbutt aside, their first fight was an absolute trouncing. What is it that excites you to see these guys against each other? Between them both in their 4 recent fights, only one of them has been over a good 185'er, when Dan beat Gono. Dan had fought for like, 20 seconds, and Gono a hard 15, and Gono was like a midget compared to Dan. Hardly awe inspiring, but a ranking win nonetheless. So, you are really excited to see two guys fight for a title belt, in arguably the biggest MMA organization in the world, despite having only recently moved (or moved again, in Busta's case) to 185, and having one ranking win between them at the weight class? (not barring Busta's ranking wins 3 years ago)

[Whining Pussy]

Originally Posted by OB Juan

So you don't agree w/ the UFC's matchmaking? That's a fucking shocker. Trigg gave Charuto the beating if his career where Hughes went to a close decision w/ Charuto. Trigg also laid a whooping on Hallman who beat Hughes twice.

i'm aware of this Juan, but that doesn't make him the #1 contender. and the fact that Pride 30 played out like a UFC with all the favorites winning doesn't really say anything other than Pride put on one show this year that was almost as bad as the past 2 UFC ppvs. what the hell has the Ultimate Superbowl done that even remotely rivals the Bushido tournaments, the heavyweight championship or the MW gp...

[my sex is artsy]

Originally Posted by OB Juan

Hughes went to a close decision w/ Charuto.

Miscommunicated myth. That fight wasn't close in the sum of a whole fight, really. At least not in UFC scoring (more on this in a second). Hughes clearly won 29-28, but the whole uproar was over the 30-27 when Charuto had the triangle in the first.

Though I suppose if you're an advocate of scoring catches, Charuto should've got a 10-8 round, and it should've been a draw.

[my sex is artsy]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

the Bushido tournaments, the heavyweight championship or the MW gp...

The Bushido tournaments? Christ, you talk about predictability. Basically everyone picked Busta and Hendo to get to the finals for Christ sakes. The only two fights of any contention were Gono/Acacio and Minowa/Baroni, both of winners of which were considerable underdogs to the favorites in the rest of the brackets.

Great match making over in Lightweight, huh? Yeah sure, Gomi/Kawajiri and Hansen/Yves. But Mach vs. Pulver was a known blowout for everyone who isn't a Pulver scrote rider, and everyone knew Azeredo would kill ZST Junkie Kotani inside of one minute. OMG!! IT WAS PREDICTABLE AND UFC LIKE!

The heavyweight championship? Yeah...considering its defended once a year basically, its not that exciting. And did Mirko deserve the shot? Of course. But if you're going to say that retroactively Trigg shouldn't have fought Hughes because he got washed, why should Mirko have fought? Especially since, I thought at least, it was fairly clear Fedor would take a non-spectacular but dominating JD, which I posted verbatim 100 times. Fedor will now maybe have a title defense in early 2007. Yee fucking haw. The heavyweight championship in PRIDE is awesome.

[OB Juan]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

UFC's idea that he earned that title shot by fighting Ken Shamrock didn't really make that fight deserved to me.

How about the fact that Rich had already beat Tanner's ass a couple years ago. What's not deserving about that? The Shamrock fight was just to get the fans more familiar w/ Rich. I know you don't approve of that either, right?

[OB Juan]

Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

Miscommunicated myth. That fight wasn't close in the sum of a whole fight, really. At least not in UFC scoring (more on this in a second). Hughes clearly won 29-28, but the whole uproar was over the 30-27 when Charuto had the triangle in the first.

Though I suppose if you're an advocate of scoring catches, Charuto should've got a 10-8 round, and it should've been a draw.

I had it 29-28. I agree that the one judge fucked up big time. At the time there was a huge stink w/ many Hughes haters and/or BJ/Charuto fans saying Charuto was robbed of the victory completely.

As far as a 10-8 round, I don't give that for failed sub attempts even if they are close.

[my sex is artsy]

Originally Posted by OB Juan

As far as a 10-8 round, I don't give that for failed sub attempts even if they are close.

He had that triangle on pretty good, I would've called a catch. Same for the Trigg/Charuto fight. Catches must be scored...submissions do damage if you get them properly applied, whether the guy taps or not.

"failed sub attempts" on the other hand, i.e. just idly going for armbars (like Diaz on Sanchez) shouldn't be rewarded with dick.

[Whining Pussy]

Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

1) Chunkaiev is Chechnyan

PWNDEEED...oh my god...if i ever recover from this pwning i might blame Golden Glory.

Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

4) As big as Hendo vs. Busta? Well, I guess first you must evaluate why you think Hendo vs. Busta is so big. Bustamante hadn't fought in Middleweight in forever, then he trounces Suda and Minowa which any Top 15 185'er should hopefully be able to do. Does he DESERVE this fight? Keep in mind, Busta had tons of trouble with the strictly mediocre DEEP champ, Ryuta Sakurai. Furthermore, headbutt aside, their first fight was an absolute trouncing. What is it that excites you to see these guys against each other? Between them both in their 4 recent fights, only one of them has been over a good 185'er, when Dan beat Gono. Dan had fought for like, 20 seconds, and Gono a hard 15, and Gono was like a midget compared to Dan. Hardly awe inspiring, but a ranking win nonetheless. So, you are really excited to see two guys fight for a title belt, in arguably the biggest MMA organization in the world, despite having only recently moved (or moved again, in Busta's case) to 185, and having one ranking win between them at the weight class? (not barring Busta's ranking wins 3 years ago)

i don't really condone Henderson and Bustmante's means of meeting for this championship oppurtunity but who's Pride got at 185 that would better represent a championship? again, this is an instance making the best out of a bad situation. they were the obvious favorites and here it is, Pride's championship. i don't can't imagine thinking of it as any less important or championship like than Tanner v Franklin. i'd pick Henderson to trounce either of the UFC champs of past or present. we'll see what Ninja v Filho amounts to but again i'm highly anticipating it for all said reasons and there's nothing the UFC could possibly produce at this weightclass to rival it, for me.

[OB Juan]

Originally Posted by my sex is artsy

He had that triangle on pretty good, I would've called a catch. Same for the Trigg/Charuto fight. Catches must be scored...submissions do damage if you get them properly applied, whether the guy taps or not.

"failed sub attempts" on the other hand, i.e. just idly going for armbars (like Diaz on Sanchez) shouldn't be rewarded with dick.

Yeah, but there's almost never a 10-8 round scored in the UFC. Not even in a stand up fight where somebody completely annihilates their opponent. If they don't finish it's scored 10-9. Also, we're along ways from the time when NSAC judges give extra points especially for catches. I'm not saying that it's right, it's just the way it is. I'd definitely like seeing more 10-8 rounds scored for catches or knockdowns, etc.

[my sex is artsy]

Originally Posted by OB Juan

Yeah, but there's almost never a 10-8 round scored in the UFC. Not even in a stand up fight where somebody completely annihilates their opponent. If they don't finish it's scored 10-9. Also, we're along ways from the time when NSAC judges give extra points especially for catches. I'm not saying that it's right, it's just the way it is. I'd definitely like seeing more 10-8 rounds scored for catches or knockdowns, etc.

That's what I'm saying, though.

Though I suppose if you're an advocate of scoring catches, Charuto should've got a 10-8 round, and it should've been a draw.

My point being that in a "perfect" system, it could've maybe been a draw.

Also, I should point out Chuck got two 10-8 rounds over Horn.

[Daniel_Fodaum]

I think Yoshida is a good fighter, but i think fedor will beat him a lot after he beat Ogawa. Ogawa is a jap can.

[OB Juan]

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

i'm aware of this Juan, but that doesn't make him the #1 contender.

So should have been the #1 contender then? Diaz had just lost to Karo who had just lost to GSp who Matt beat in his last fight.

Originally Posted by Juice-Man Juicer

and the fact that Pride 30 played out like a UFC with all the favorites winning doesn't really say anything other than Pride put on one show this year that was almost as bad as the past 2 UFC ppvs. what the hell has the Ultimate Superbowl done that even remotely rivals the Bushido tournaments, the heavyweight championship or the MW gp...

So do you just hate the UFC or are you a Pride nuthugger? Look at all of the free MMA the UFC has been giving us. Maybe not all of their PPV cards have been stellar but I'd say the freebies make up for it. UFC 56 will make the 10th UFC event this year w/ 4 of them being completely free. UFC 51, TUF 1 finale, 52, 54, and I even thought UFC 55 was good on the whole (save for the Gannon and Buentello fights). Not to mention 2 seasons of TUF (which included free fights every Monday night) plus even more free stuff in the near future.

Pride has had 9 events so far, all of which we've had to pay for. Pride 29 was a joke. Pride 30 sucked balls too. TE 05, FC 05, and Bushido 9 were all great events. Everything else was so-so.

Basicly, both companies have some great cards w/ competitive matches and both have some not so great cards w/ mismatches. To say one clearly out does the other shows bias one way or the other. Most of the UFC's mismatches can be attributed to last minute replacements due to injuries or simply lack of healthy bodies in a given division. Pride does that shit on purpose because the Japanese fans like the freakshow/pro wrestling type atmopsphere. Also, being in the US, I like seeing LIVE events rather than tape delays that sometimes can be up to a couple weeks (I'm still waiting for Bushido 9 to hit Comcast 2 months later).

[Whining Pussy]

Originally Posted by OB Juan

So should have been the #1 contender then? Diaz had just lost to Karo who had just lost to GSp who Matt beat in his last fight.

it would have been Karo. or do you think Karo really needed to fight Matt Serra to establish his right to title contention?

i think i've owned you enough today to get your log-in password.

[Rasengan]

Originally Posted by Fighting_Irish1

Fuck the japanese i wanna see a good match, pride 30 was an atrosious(sp) show

the best UFC show thus far has been TUF 2 finale on TV...

PRIDE has had 2 Grand Prix's, Gomi vs. Kawajiri, Yves vs. Hansen, Mach vs. Hansen, Silva losing to Arona, Shogun destroying Arona, Fedor vs. Crocop, and NYE contains the GP finales and Nog vs. Crocop...all in 1 year...they had 1 bad show and all of a sudden it's fuck the Japanese because of a competitive sounding MMA match between 2 good judo players, Ogawa and Yoshida instead of Yoshida vs. Fedor??

I am stating I perfer the franchise, indeed pride has by far the better fighters and wealth of LHW and HW fighters, I used to be a die hard Prider but the quiet crowds and lack of atmosphere for the big matches is makes the experiance quite flat, It just does'nt translate as well as the UFC does as a TV spectical, sure pride has the better fights etc,

I'm just fed up with the horse shit I'm getting packaged with the goodness come on there are some straight up shocking matchs in pride

what the hell does any of that have anything to do with the fights? so you prefer the UFC because it has raunchier crowds and a more bar room brawl like atomosphere? so fuck PRIDE? it doesn't make any sense at all saying "sure pride has the better fights etc" but you prefer UFC because PRIDE has "quiet crowds and lack of atmosphere for the big matches" and then relating it to bad matchmaking...they have nothing to do with each other